Muslims

[Brawny]

Lol i don't even know if this post is a joke...if its just put there for the writer to see how many people respond and what they say or what? Otherwise, this is some sick joke. Judging all by misguided few? This is very wrong. :nono: Christians take it for granted that non-Christians don't base Christianity on Adolf Hitler's horrible schemes and actions. Think this over (that was just an example, nothing against Christians...nor am I implying that you're Christian yourself) :O

Agreed... Go over to the "wii is a porn portal" thing. Christians have their own stereotypes as well. Check out the now long dead Christians thread too. All religions but Atheism suffer from this.

 

[RPGMasterTurk91]

OMG XD yes we do care about jesus, we care about mosas we care about most of the gods u belive in but in our religeon their propets PLEASE study before posting

and what you mean terrists are mainly muslim....go to pakistan i swear their if u see any1 being called names or something else i swear the person whose commiting the creime a mob will crowd around him and take him to the police station Trust me mogarity of the muslims follow ules its just the minorty who havnt been taught anything havn't

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEtON6jyPX8&mode=related&search=

also see this video

For some reason, this post was kind of sloppy with mispelled words, lets just set everything straight for the willing listener/reader (nothing personal against you zeon, just adding on, building and fixing some of your words and gramatical errors to best depict what was trying to be explained lol. Afterall, it IS for the better, and I'm sure you wouldn't mind at all).

Anyways, Muslims DO accept Jesus (PBUH) as a major prophet of God. We also accept Moses, and Abraham as major prophets of God. The moment you deny this fact, you are NOT a Muslim. You should really get on with the basic information of Islam and go beyond the "Five Pillars of Islam" you learn in school and using the television media as your sources and teacher before you criticize the religion and state untrue things about it, blogman54. If you're already wrong about this, what more do you not know and are ignorant (uneducated) about? What other knowledge do you lack, and therefore use that to make such claims? In other words, don't criticize even one more time, what you claimed really portrayed your uninterest in learning about the religion and your ignorance overall. If you are wrong about that aspect, what more could you be misguided/misinterpreted about?

 

[zeon9881]

For some reason, this post was kind of sloppy with mispelled words, lets just set everything straight for the willing listener/reader (nothing personal against you zeon, just adding on, building and fixing some of your words and gramatical errors to best depict what was trying to be explained lol. Afterall, it IS for the better, and I'm sure you wouldn't mind at all).

Anyways, Muslims DO accept Jesus (PBUH) as a major prophet of God. We also accept Moses, and Abraham as major prophets of God. The moment you deny this fact, you are NOT a Muslim. You should really get on with the basic information of Islam and go beyond the "Five Pillars of Islam" you learn in school and using the television media as your sources and teacher before you criticize the religion and state untrue things about it, blogman54. If you're already wrong about this, what more do you not know and are ignorant (uneducated) about? Whato ther knowledge do you lack, and therefore use that to make such claims? In other words, don't criticize even one more time, what you claimed really portrayed your uninterest in learning about the religion and your ignorance overall. If you are wrong about that aspect, what more could you be misguided/misinterpreted about?

don worry i want take it personally THANKS for correcting me :yesnod:

 

[RPGMasterTurk91]

don worry i want take it personally THANKS for correcting me :yesnod:

lol i spelt the word grammatical wrong while trying to correct your writing :cryin:

:smilewinkgrin:

 

[konomaroh]

Lol, so Osama is just fine then?

well he is the only living one i hate

 

[captainff]

is that directed at me? If so, I believe in fighting for freedom and democracy like freedom of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. The terrorists are the Islam Extremeists who have vowed never to stop fighting us unless we give into the Islamic ways. Of course terrorists like to produce terror, or climate of fear, hence the name terrorists and prefer to attack unarmed civilians and maximize as many casualties as possible an use the media to create propaganda to help spread the fear. I took a class at my university over terrorism and learned the 3 C's: Crazies, Criminals, and Crusaders. If you want a detailed definition of each look it up yourself.

No it wasn't directed at you personally. It was that the whole thread is using the word 'terrorist' when EQUALLY it could be using the words 'freedom fighters'.

And before you all get on my back about my ancestry, I'm white, English, raised as a Christian but rejected the church once I could think for myself.

I have no axe to grind with any of you over religion or race. My reason for posting on this thread is to try to get you to realise that the 'terrorist' question is one of perspective.

During World War 2, were the French Resistance terrorists or freedom fighters? IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE. If you were a German soldier they were terrorists, if you were part of the UK/US side of things they were freedom fighters.

In the current global climate each side of the divide(and there is one) sees themselves as 'good' and the other as 'evil'. Thats not to say that either one is right or wrong.

I don't think that the UK has any right to enforce it's belief system on any other nation.

I have no desire to live under Sharia Law. I think that it is too restrictive on the 'normal' person, but as I never have I can't say for certain.

 

[Squall7]

No it wasn't directed at you personally. It was that the whole thread is using the word 'terrorist' when EQUALLY it could be using the words 'freedom fighters'.

I agree 100% there.

And before you all get on my back about my ancestry, I'm white, English, raised as a Christian but rejected the church once I could think for myself.

I'm white and English too, although my parent's deliberately chose not to raise me to a specific religion.

I have no axe to grind with any of you over religion or race. My reason for posting on this thread is to try to get you to realise that the 'terrorist' question is one of perspective.

Indeed. I add, what are US/UK forces doing about other non-muslim terrorist organisations? Real IRA for example?

During World War 2, were the French Resistance terrorists or freedom fighters? IT DEPENDS ON YOUR PERSPECTIVE. If you were a German soldier they were terrorists, if you were part of the UK/US side of things they were freedom fighters.

I agree, but add the irony of the fact that the German people were under Hitler's propoganda. If they (as a nation) could do soo many wrongs, isn't it possible that the US/UK could be under propoganda at this very minute?

In the current global climate each side of the divide(and there is one) sees themselves as 'good' and the other as 'evil'. Thats not to say that either one is right or wrong.

I still say that if Hitler would have succeeded in conquering the world, all the people left over would be seeing Hilter as society's saviour, taking out other elements that are counterpoint to their own, so there in effect would be peace. However, I do feel that Hitler had no right to do what he did (obviously), and I prefer peace in diversity, rather than peace through uniformity.

I don't think that the UK has any right to enforce it's belief system on any other nation.

I second that and throw in that the UK has no right to subject other people's to our own morality. What we could do however, is to provide a sanctuary for people/s that wish to renounce their own societies, in favour of a multicultural one.

Of course, another thing that gets me riled up is the effects it's having in terms of paranoia.

There's still too many people who cannot tell the difference between Islamic people/s and say Hindu's. They're two completely different religions, and are constantly at war with one another in Pakistan. Yet if a Hindu walked past people would still feel uneasy. It's very much unfair that the US/UK have become soo paranoid that it's effecting both non-terrorist Muslims as well as other religions.

Oh, and also, to the person saying that nobody converts to Islam if they're not born into it, I would just like to say:
Cat Stevens.

 

[zeon9881]

^ you can convert into islam even if your not born in to it

 

[Squall7]

^ you can convert into islam even if your not born in to it

Which is exactly my point.

Someone earlier said that people convert to Christianity and Judiasm only, which is not true.

 

[MetroidZ]

You idiot, i never insulted england, i even stated after that, that those werent real insults, they were just trying to prove a point, about how ignorant some people are..get some glasses.

Here it is:

"Although i have nothing against The english, they are always being racist and rude. they are very boring and stupid, and just drink and be racist. Not a nice feeling reading that isit smurf? Doesnt make you feel good inside eh? (just proving a point, didnt mean any of that people )"

See?

you shouldn't have said that anyway. Do you know how many TURKS (and other asians) there are in the UK, and in London alone?

 

[Napalmbrain]

Which is exactly my point.

Someone earlier said that people convert to Christianity and Judiasm only, which is not true.

Correct, most religions allow converts (the only exception I'm aware of is Zoroastrianism).

If a religion claims to be the one true path, then wouldn't you expect it to allow, and even encourage, as many people as possible to follow it?

 

[Brawny]

For being a muslim thread, not much that I don't agree with. Their beliefs are pretty close. Grace is the only biggy that I see...

 

[I_Dont_Know859]

For being a muslim thread, not much that I don't agree with. Their beliefs are pretty close. Grace is the only biggy that I see...

being a fellow christian, i have interesting information about islam you might find interesting. I don't think it would be a good idea to post it on this thread though.

 

[zeon9881]

gp right ahaead i have intresting facts on chritianty too i just didn't post it aswell

 

[Chippenham]

The problem is Terrorists who preach hatred of the west unfortunately associate themselves with the same values as normal Muslims which creates the confusion. Bad people are bad people regardless of sex, religion, colour etc...

I also believe most of these issues are far more complex and we are only touching the edge of the debate.

Up the Wii!!