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My recommendation is you use whatever Fire-type is ya favorite. 
What's your pokemon team?
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Fire type wise, flareon maybe.
Also for those of you that are making teams, check out this thread http://www.wiichat.com/forum/pokemon/82422-whos-up-pokemon-tournament.html
Also for those of you that are making teams, check out this thread http://www.wiichat.com/forum/pokemon/82422-whos-up-pokemon-tournament.html
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Recommending Flareon? Over Charizard? You're mad. :lol: Madder still if you'd suggest it over the plethora of better Fire-types like Heatran or Arcanine.
I'm not the type to say this usually, but your opinion is basically wrong. A x4 weakness is unfortunate, and can prevent certain Pokemon from doing certain things, but evidence shows that a lot of Pokemon with a x4 weakness can preform great. Scizor, Tyranitar, Heatran, Toxicroak, Heracross, Gastrodon, Volcarona, Salamence, and many more are great Pokemon capable of being very useful despite having a x4 weakness. Some of the frail ones couldn't care less about the extra vulnerability, cause many of them are going to get OHKO'd by a move even if they were x2 weak to it.
But the thing with that is. I ALWAYS have each other my team equiped with an attack to kill ( faint ) 4x weakness, so that's why I think they shouldn't be used.
Also I never said anything about them not being useful.
Also I never said anything about them not being useful.
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*Ignores ongoing argument* Over the summer I plan on grabbing another copy of HeartGold (I lost my old one) and using this team, for the same purpose of beating up my friends:
Houndoom: Flash Fire
-Flamethrower
-Dark Pulse
-Protect
-Will-o-wisp
Mamoswine: (My friends are probably not going to ever use Hail or Attract, so it doesn't matter)
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Avalanche
-Ice Shard
Electivire: Motor Drive
-Thunderpunch
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
Slowking: Own Tempo
-Slack Off (Slowpoke, lv. 39)
-Psychic
-Surf
-Grass Knot
Heracross: Guts
-Megahorn
-Close Combat
-Night Slash
-Stone Edge
Skarmory: Keen Eye
-Drill Peck
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Steel Wing
Yeah, yeah, I know, Mamoswine has two Ice type attacks, blah blah blah. Other than that, any criticisms?
Also, here's a revision of the last two teams I posted:
Houndoom: Flash Fire
-Flamethrower
-Dark Pulse
-Protect
-Will-o-wisp
Mamoswine: (My friends are probably not going to ever use Hail or Attract, so it doesn't matter)
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Avalanche
-Ice Shard
Electivire: Motor Drive
-Thunderpunch
-Earthquake
-Fire Punch
-Ice Punch
Slowking: Own Tempo
-Slack Off (Slowpoke, lv. 39)
-Psychic
-Surf
-Grass Knot
Heracross: Guts
-Megahorn
-Close Combat
-Night Slash
-Stone Edge
Skarmory: Keen Eye
-Drill Peck
-Roost
-Stealth Rock
-Steel Wing
Yeah, yeah, I know, Mamoswine has two Ice type attacks, blah blah blah. Other than that, any criticisms?
Also, here's a revision of the last two teams I posted:
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Not to be used against me, cuz i'll smash'em!
Well, I don't see much good use of electivire. Use Machamp instead, his ability will see more use with this move set : Stone Edge / Dynamic Punch / Fire Punch / Earthquake.
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'Specially since those weaknesses can be circumvented. Does a Poke that Scizor threatens possibly carry HP Fire? Switch it out. Run it on a Rain team. Give Heatran an Air Balloon. Throw Garchomp a Yache Berry. Let D-nite abuse Roost/Multiscale stalling against non-STAB Ice Beams.
Furthermore, many Pokes with a 4x weakness won't stay in on a 'mon with a move t' exploit said weakness even if it was just 2x. Does TTar wanna take a STAB Close Combat, even if it was only 2x weak? Obviously not. If 4x weaknesses are so terribly effective at murderin' a Poke's competitive viability, why does Rayquaza Outrage-ously romp around Ubers (ba-dum-pssh)? Gyarados has been OU since Gen 4 despite it's 4x weakness and even makes for a surprisingly effective (albeit lackin' unreliable recovery) tank.
And then a switch foiled your otherwise brilliant and well-thought out strategy.
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Alright, replacing Protect with Nasty Plot, Fire Punch with Cross Chop, Grass Knot with Ice Beam, Night Slash with Bulk Up, Drill Peck with Brave Bird and Steel Wing with Spikes.
Team in Soulsilver so far: (About to fight Falkner)
Mighty the Bee (Cyndiquil)
Like Button (Ledyba)
Jeff the Killer (Sentret)
One Direction (Geodude)
Charmy (Kakuna)
Spearow (Forgot its nickname)
Got a long way to go!
Team in Soulsilver so far: (About to fight Falkner)
Mighty the Bee (Cyndiquil)
Like Button (Ledyba)
Jeff the Killer (Sentret)
One Direction (Geodude)
Charmy (Kakuna)
Spearow (Forgot its nickname)
Got a long way to go!
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So... my revised SoulSilver team.
(Not EV trained, raised during main story. No idea what their IVs are. Also I haven't taught some of these Pokemon the moves listed on here, so it's still an incomplete team. I guess you could say I'm going to use this to beat my friends at school like Esp, but once again, it's still a WIP.)
Charizard (Ability: Blaze, Held Item: Charcoal)
-Fire Blast
-Sunny Day
-Solar Beam
-Air Slash
Espeon (Ability: Synchronize, Held Item: Either Spell Tag or Twisted Spoon)
-Psychic
-Grass Knot
-Morning Sun
-Shadow Ball
Lapras (Ability: Water Absorb, Held Item: Nevermeltice)
-Surf
-Waterfall
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
Dragonite (Ability: Inner Focus, No held item; Dragon Fang maybe?)
-Roost
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
Heracross (Ability: Guts, Held Item: I believe the Muscleband)
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Night Slash
Snorlax (Ability: Thick Fat, Held Item: Thinking of either the Focus Sash or Leftovers)
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Crunch
-Earthquake
(Not EV trained, raised during main story. No idea what their IVs are. Also I haven't taught some of these Pokemon the moves listed on here, so it's still an incomplete team. I guess you could say I'm going to use this to beat my friends at school like Esp, but once again, it's still a WIP.)
Charizard (Ability: Blaze, Held Item: Charcoal)
-Fire Blast
-Sunny Day
-Solar Beam
-Air Slash
Espeon (Ability: Synchronize, Held Item: Either Spell Tag or Twisted Spoon)
-Psychic
-Grass Knot
-Morning Sun
-Shadow Ball
Lapras (Ability: Water Absorb, Held Item: Nevermeltice)
-Surf
-Waterfall
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
Dragonite (Ability: Inner Focus, No held item; Dragon Fang maybe?)
-Roost
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
Heracross (Ability: Guts, Held Item: I believe the Muscleband)
-Close Combat
-Megahorn
-Stone Edge
-Night Slash
Snorlax (Ability: Thick Fat, Held Item: Thinking of either the Focus Sash or Leftovers)
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
-Crunch
-Earthquake
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Items which give a STAB bonus are generally frowned upon since... well, they ain't all-that useful. Not 'less you're usin' really high BP moves which have also been boosted by weather (boosts directly to a Pokemon's Attack-stats are irrelevant for these items) and such... While your Charizard is an alright example of that, you're still better off with the gem items. Their effect on damage output is much more pronounced, and will almost always positively impact how many hits the foe can take. Items like Charcoal, not so much. 1.2 is just too small of a boost.
... But since you're playin' on a Gen 4 game, you've no access t' Gems sadly, so other items will have t' do. The only type-boosting item you should even think 'bout keepin' is Charcoal on Charizard... and ya really shouldn't. The reasoning for this is that under harsh sunlight, with Blaze active, Charcoal will add an extra 84 BP to Fire Blast. That's alright, but generally irrelevant since without Charcoal Fire Blast would have a terrifyin' 422 Base Power regardless. If that won't OHKO an opponent, the extra 84 BP won't help either because you're gonna two-hit KO anyways or the opponent is a Kingdra or somethin' else which 4x resists Fire. Outside of weather and Blaze boosting, it only gives an extra 37 BP when hitting neutrally. Pretty poor indeed.
With that said, a better (and more fitting item) would be a Life Orb. A raw 30% boost to all your moves' power in exchange for losin' 10% of your HP every turn. More potent than Charcoal, and also boosts Solarbeam and Air Slash in order t' ensure Charizard can better fight Water-types and help one-shot the bulkier Fighting-types like Machamp. If ya don't like Life Orb's recoil damage, you could use an Expert Belt instead to increase damage output whenever ya hit super-effective. This would generally be for, as mentioned above, helpin' to combat Water-types and Fighting-types. Fire Blast doesn't appreciate the boost as much as Charizard's other moves do, so I'd highly recommend replacin' that Charcoal. Hell, ya could even give it a Wide Lens t' help ensure Charizard goes out in a Blaze of glory (heh) and doesn't miss with that super-charged Fire Blast at a really untimely moment. Anythin' is better than Charcoal.
Espeon could also use a Life Orb, especially since it has Morning Sun t' heal itself up with. 'Course it's very frail as is, so you'd need t' be even more careful with it when usin' an Orb on it. It could hold a Focus Band t' prevent an untimely faint... if you're lucky. Focus Sash could be used in the same way against, albeit only once (the item is used up after the first time; gettin' back to full HP won't let ya use it again). Brightpowder does the same thing as a Focus Band yet better, but it's a cheap as **** item anyone should feel ashamed usin'. If Espeon just barely can't KO a bulky opponent; which happens very often when battling Pokes which aren't specifically EV'd; the oh-so rare Petaya Berry might barely let Espeon win the exchange and retreat back t' it's ball to heal later.
Lapras doesn't really warrant for any particular item. A generically good item like a Scope Lens, Sitrus Berry or Quick Claw would work.
Dragonite could appreciate a Lum berry, allowing it t' Outrage a second time in a row. This would let ya ignore confusion and throw out four hits minimum 'fore switching, which would make Dragon Dancing up and then spammin' Outrage for awhile very deadly. That or block any random status that hits it 'fore the confusion sets in, which is even more useful.
Muscle Band is even more useless than type-enhancing held items, so drop it period. Even a Black Belt is better. Anyways, the Choice items are potent and very useful. In particular, Heracross loves choice items. Choice Band gives it a free 1.5 boost to it's attack, making either of it's STAB moves destructive even when resisted. Heracross also has good enough speed t' use a Choice Scarf, which would give it enough speed t' outrun quite a few 'mons and really catch an opponent off guard. Their Psychic-type they expected to outrun and off your beetle will receive a speedy Megahorn instead, netting you a "free" KO.
If ya don't like gettin' locked into a move but do like the sound'a that 1.5 boost, use a Flame Orb instead. Guts negates the attack drop caused by a Burn, and turns it instead into a 1.5 increase instead. You'll be able t' switch moves freely, but will lose 1/8th of it's HP as a result. It's essentially a Life Orb but even more powerful in the hands of a Guts Pokemon. Bein' Burned after turn 1 also means Heracross instantly becomes immune to even less desirable status, such as severe Poison, Paralysis and especially Sleep. Alternatively, a Wide Lens will sorely help Megahorn and Stone Edge's less than desirable accuracy even moreso than it'd benefit Charizard. The latter missin' is generally a disaster against say, a Flying-type, who will guaranteed destroy Heracross if it doesn't KO first. A Zoom Lens would work quite well too since most slower Pokes; Rock-types and such; generally are afraid of eatin' a Close Combat, whereas the faster ones are often those ya absolutely need t' hit with Megahorn and Stone Edge.
Snorlax's bulk comes from his massive HP, so yeah, Leftovers without a doubt. Ain't a more fittin' item for it anyways lol.
... But since you're playin' on a Gen 4 game, you've no access t' Gems sadly, so other items will have t' do. The only type-boosting item you should even think 'bout keepin' is Charcoal on Charizard... and ya really shouldn't. The reasoning for this is that under harsh sunlight, with Blaze active, Charcoal will add an extra 84 BP to Fire Blast. That's alright, but generally irrelevant since without Charcoal Fire Blast would have a terrifyin' 422 Base Power regardless. If that won't OHKO an opponent, the extra 84 BP won't help either because you're gonna two-hit KO anyways or the opponent is a Kingdra or somethin' else which 4x resists Fire. Outside of weather and Blaze boosting, it only gives an extra 37 BP when hitting neutrally. Pretty poor indeed.
With that said, a better (and more fitting item) would be a Life Orb. A raw 30% boost to all your moves' power in exchange for losin' 10% of your HP every turn. More potent than Charcoal, and also boosts Solarbeam and Air Slash in order t' ensure Charizard can better fight Water-types and help one-shot the bulkier Fighting-types like Machamp. If ya don't like Life Orb's recoil damage, you could use an Expert Belt instead to increase damage output whenever ya hit super-effective. This would generally be for, as mentioned above, helpin' to combat Water-types and Fighting-types. Fire Blast doesn't appreciate the boost as much as Charizard's other moves do, so I'd highly recommend replacin' that Charcoal. Hell, ya could even give it a Wide Lens t' help ensure Charizard goes out in a Blaze of glory (heh) and doesn't miss with that super-charged Fire Blast at a really untimely moment. Anythin' is better than Charcoal.
Espeon could also use a Life Orb, especially since it has Morning Sun t' heal itself up with. 'Course it's very frail as is, so you'd need t' be even more careful with it when usin' an Orb on it. It could hold a Focus Band t' prevent an untimely faint... if you're lucky. Focus Sash could be used in the same way against, albeit only once (the item is used up after the first time; gettin' back to full HP won't let ya use it again). Brightpowder does the same thing as a Focus Band yet better, but it's a cheap as **** item anyone should feel ashamed usin'. If Espeon just barely can't KO a bulky opponent; which happens very often when battling Pokes which aren't specifically EV'd; the oh-so rare Petaya Berry might barely let Espeon win the exchange and retreat back t' it's ball to heal later.
Lapras doesn't really warrant for any particular item. A generically good item like a Scope Lens, Sitrus Berry or Quick Claw would work.
Dragonite could appreciate a Lum berry, allowing it t' Outrage a second time in a row. This would let ya ignore confusion and throw out four hits minimum 'fore switching, which would make Dragon Dancing up and then spammin' Outrage for awhile very deadly. That or block any random status that hits it 'fore the confusion sets in, which is even more useful.
Muscle Band is even more useless than type-enhancing held items, so drop it period. Even a Black Belt is better. Anyways, the Choice items are potent and very useful. In particular, Heracross loves choice items. Choice Band gives it a free 1.5 boost to it's attack, making either of it's STAB moves destructive even when resisted. Heracross also has good enough speed t' use a Choice Scarf, which would give it enough speed t' outrun quite a few 'mons and really catch an opponent off guard. Their Psychic-type they expected to outrun and off your beetle will receive a speedy Megahorn instead, netting you a "free" KO.
If ya don't like gettin' locked into a move but do like the sound'a that 1.5 boost, use a Flame Orb instead. Guts negates the attack drop caused by a Burn, and turns it instead into a 1.5 increase instead. You'll be able t' switch moves freely, but will lose 1/8th of it's HP as a result. It's essentially a Life Orb but even more powerful in the hands of a Guts Pokemon. Bein' Burned after turn 1 also means Heracross instantly becomes immune to even less desirable status, such as severe Poison, Paralysis and especially Sleep. Alternatively, a Wide Lens will sorely help Megahorn and Stone Edge's less than desirable accuracy even moreso than it'd benefit Charizard. The latter missin' is generally a disaster against say, a Flying-type, who will guaranteed destroy Heracross if it doesn't KO first. A Zoom Lens would work quite well too since most slower Pokes; Rock-types and such; generally are afraid of eatin' a Close Combat, whereas the faster ones are often those ya absolutely need t' hit with Megahorn and Stone Edge.
Snorlax's bulk comes from his massive HP, so yeah, Leftovers without a doubt. Ain't a more fittin' item for it anyways lol.
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If you're grading items now as well, I need to iron a few things out in my Platinum team. I had no idea what items to give my Pokemon, but luckily I happened to have 5 Leftovers. However, there may be better things to give these guys.
Pokemon Platinum:
Infernape-Life Orb-Naïve-Blaze
-Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-Grass Knot
-Stealth Rock
Staraptor-Leftovers-Docile-Intimidate
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-U-turn
-Fly (for convenience)
Azelf-Leftovers-Relaxed-Levitate
-Psychic
-Flamethrower
-Nasty Plot
-Grass Knot
Gyarados-Choice Band-Naïve-Intimidate
-Waterfall (nb4 Aqua Tail vs. Waterfall argument)
-Avalanche
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
Magnezone-Leftovers-Timid-Magnet Pull
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-Magnet Rise
-Thunder Wave
Rayquaza-Leftovers-Bashful-Air Lock
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake
-Flamethrower
-Thunderbolt
If ban list is enforced, Rayquaza is replace with this:
Flygon-Leftovers-Hasty-Levitate
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-Crunch
-Roost
Pokemon Platinum:
Infernape-Life Orb-Naïve-Blaze
-Flare Blitz
-Close Combat
-Grass Knot
-Stealth Rock
Staraptor-Leftovers-Docile-Intimidate
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-U-turn
-Fly (for convenience)
Azelf-Leftovers-Relaxed-Levitate
-Psychic
-Flamethrower
-Nasty Plot
-Grass Knot
Gyarados-Choice Band-Naïve-Intimidate
-Waterfall (nb4 Aqua Tail vs. Waterfall argument)
-Avalanche
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
Magnezone-Leftovers-Timid-Magnet Pull
-Thunderbolt
-Flash Cannon
-Magnet Rise
-Thunder Wave
Rayquaza-Leftovers-Bashful-Air Lock
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake
-Flamethrower
-Thunderbolt
If ban list is enforced, Rayquaza is replace with this:
Flygon-Leftovers-Hasty-Levitate
-Earthquake
-Dragon Claw
-Crunch
-Roost
