Muslims

[Brawny]

Wow, Squall (who I normally oppose on Christianity ethics threads) is pretty tight. The only one I see being empathetic. I'll say it again, why do you guys have to only care about yourselves? I'm out.

 

[ottoman]

Thanks for all that Brawny and Squall, i tried repping you guys but it wont let me lol.

As for you Captainff...

Your trying to find out why it is not offensive to drink ifnfront of a muslim, but it is offensive to draw pictures of Allah or Mohammad. 2 reasons.

1) if you look back to my post i said that I would not be offended. A more strict Muslim might be. that was from my point of view.

2) Alchhol and the disrespect of Allah or Mohammad are completley different. you cannot compare them. By Insulting Mohammad Yyou insult Allah. Which Insults Islam altogether.

Disrespect for our prophets and God is far more worse than drinking.

 

[captainff]

Thank you ottoman for answering my question, and trying to improve my understanding.

 

[RPGMasterTurk91]

I'm sorry I've been off this thread for a while but I've been arguing with gun totin' cops about why gun ownership in the US is contributing to scenes like those in Virginia this week.

I guess your comment could be aimed at me. . . . . I'm not a Muslim and have been trying to correct the wrongful assumptions of others.

BUT, and I feel this is where your statement annoys me, I'm not doing it to "get on the good side of Muslims". I'm doing it because I see something happening that I feel is wrong. I don't care if you like me or what I post!

I'm not interested in your specific religious beliefs. I think that, in the nicest way possible, you are deluded. That wasn't meant to be offensive. I would say the same to a Christian, Jew, Scientologist, Hindu, etc etc. That is my opinion.

What I am bothered about is the labelling of groups of people by the government and the mass media to promote specific responses by the general public, and the promotion of ignorance. In that respect our aims align.

I've recently re-read all 18 pages of this thread and the thing that strikes me is that both sides of the argument (not the neutrals) are determined to prove that the other is wrong. Only the neutrals are trying to say that you all have different beliefs and should learn how to play nicely. Just a thought.. .. ..

Thanks for this response. I wasn't aiming this to all people, nor was I aiming at anyone in specific.. I was just getting it out that this is the case--something that is so easy to believe and common sense should not have to be taught to people. When people say that "not all Muslims are terrorists", it's the truth and is fine. However, this should remain as a GIVEN, not something that must be learned. I'm NOT saying for others NOT to say "Not all Muslims are terrorists" in any way--that's not my point at all. Alls that I'm saying is that well...let me give an example. THeres this kid in my class--he seems like he respects people of all religions and isn't that ignorant. It makes me and the few Muslims here happy when he says "not all Muslims are terrorists! That's SO ignorant and a stupid thought". But, this is common sense...by saying this, he proved/confirmed a simple matter, yet accomplished a lot out of it. It seems like he has no bias feelings towards Muslims at all, and that he understands a lot about the religion. However, this is not the case--he is only pointing out the truth and whats common sense, then going on from there. It's easy to state that "not all Muslims are terrorists". Prejudice could continue from that point on. When you simply point out the obvious, which is postitive, it doesn't REally do much.

Is that better? Do you understand what I was trying to explain better now, captainff?

 

[RPGMasterTurk91]

Thanks for all that Brawny and Squall, i tried repping you guys but it wont let me lol.

As for you Captainff...

Your trying to find out why it is not offensive to drink ifnfront of a muslim, but it is offensive to draw pictures of Allah or Mohammad. 2 reasons.

1) if you look back to my post i said that I would not be offended. A more strict Muslim might be. that was from my point of view.

2) Alchhol and the disrespect of Allah or Mohammad are completley different. you cannot compare them. By Insulting Mohammad Yyou insult Allah. Which Insults Islam altogether.

Disrespect for our prophets and God is far more worse than drinking.

I understand exactly what you're asking captainff. I'll build on the response as well, for your better understanding. Yes, drinking, doing drugs, as well as other substances that impair your abilities (and doing it on purpose, of course) is something Islam strictly forbids. However, when you draw a picture of Muhammed (PBUH), and a Muslim sees it, he or she will get mad when OUR prophet is being drawn, and feel disrespected, since it is against Islam. If they are not Muslim, then it has nothing to do with them.

The only real reaction we saw so far and was presented through the media is the one in Denmark, which was only a big deal due to the offensive mock with the bomb and exxagerated drawging of an Arab man with a turban and giant mustache. If a Muslim knew that the drawer of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) knew that it was offensive to Muslims, and was watching them draw it through their freedoms--its only right to point out that they shouldn't disrespect their religion in that sense and that they are being offended. Put yourself in my shoes. If I saw someone I knew making this "sketch", and I knew that, THEY knew that drawing these pictures are forbidden in Islam, I wouldn't just stand idly by--I'd try and make them stop to the best of my ability and by logical means.

 

[zeon9881]

YAY rpg is back with his big paragraphs..........

 

[Brawny]

Um...what does PBUH. Praise Be......Upon him? I dunno, total guess. Is it mandatory or just respect?

 

[zeon9881]

its mandotory when you say prophet mohhamed (pbuh)

pbuh means "Peace Be Upon Him"

 

[Squall7]

Thanks for this response. I wasn't aiming this to all people, nor was I aiming at anyone in specific.. I was just getting it out that this is the case--something that is so easy to believe and common sense should not have to be taught to people. When people say that "not all Muslims are terrorists", it's the truth and is fine. However, this should remain as a GIVEN, not something that must be learned. I'm NOT saying for others NOT to say "Not all Muslims are terrorists" in any way--that's not my point at all. Alls that I'm saying is that well...let me give an example. THeres this kid in my class--he seems like he respects people of all religions and isn't that ignorant. It makes me and the few Muslims here happy when he says "not all Muslims are terrorists! That's SO ignorant and a stupid thought". But, this is common sense...by saying this, he proved/confirmed a simple matter, yet accomplished a lot out of it. It seems like he has no bias feelings towards Muslims at all, and that he understands a lot about the religion. However, this is not the case--he is only pointing out the truth and whats common sense, then going on from there. It's easy to state that "not all Muslims are terrorists". Prejudice could continue from that point on. When you simply point out the obvious, which is postitive, it doesn't REally do much.

Is that better? Do you understand what I was trying to explain better now, captainff?

Better people saying the obvious than nobody saying it at all. I get your point, though this thread is not meant to be a "Muslims only" thread. I know virtually nothing about Islam, other than what I got taught from pre-GCSE RE, but then I do know things about Media (and therefore (mis)-representations of Islam within the media). To be honest, I would rather be clueless and neutral than clueless and biggoted. If that means that I'm defending Islam from others who believe what they see in said media, I will gladly do just that.

Unfortunately, stupidity is all around us. It is therefore neccessary to say the obvious, or else they will continue to believe what they believe about others.

 

[RPGMasterTurk91]

Better people saying the obvious than nobody saying it at all. I get your point, though this thread is not meant to be a "Muslims only" thread. I know virtually nothing about Islam, other than what I got taught from pre-GCSE RE, but then I do know things about Media (and therefore (mis)-representations of Islam within the media). To be honest, I would rather be clueless and neutral than clueless and biggoted. If that means that I'm defending Islam from others who believe what they see in said media, I will gladly do just that.

Unfortunately, stupidity is all around us. It is therefore neccessary to say the obvious, or else they will continue to believe what they believe about others.

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Yes, yes i get your point...I was just simply getting that out there though. As i said, I'm glad when people say that--but when people say this, and then show (or don't show, but still believe) false things, you could only tell that they are not for accusing many over a select few and this is a given. In fact, the only people who I talk about/"accuse" in what I said earlier are the people who take advantage of the fact that they can make a positive point about Muslims and have it count as them saying something positive and therefore they don't look as "ignorant", if you will, but really just furthering themselves in the eyes of Muslims and making them (Muslims) feel like "wow, you understand things very well about us and support our cause and points made against the media".

If I could only explain this better you would not have said what you said, Squall, and if I got the full point across that I wanted to get to, your post would not be there :thumbsup: I'm just saying that what you said, if you got what I was trying to get out of that, is invalid (when reading this second passage, don't read it thinking im speaking with anger or anything like that).

 

[captainff]

At least one UK newspaper carried a story this week about prisons having to redesign their toilet facilities to accomodate muslim inmates. According to the articles the inmates were unhappy at having to face Mecca while they defecate. I've been thinking about this for a while and was wondering if you guys could answer a couple of simple questions for me?

1) Is this a plausible story? As a Muslim, is it offensive to face Mecca while you defecate? Does urination direction also matter?

2) If the answer is yes to the above, does this lead to added complications when moving to a new home? Does restroom orientation play a part in the househunting process? Obviously a bathroom can be rearranged but this takes time and money.

3) Are there any other activities that should not be carried out while facing Mecca?


I'm aware that certain actions are required to be in the direction of Mecca, such as prayer and burial, but hadn't heard of actions that should not be performed while facing in that direction. Your answers will be appreciated.

 

[Brawny]

I think that it is funnier (wrong word but I can't think of another) that the true shortest distance is not directly east. Much like jet airliners, muslims in the us should actually pray northeast...

 

[Loaf-head]

I think that it is funnier (wrong word but I can't think of another) that the true shortest distance is not directly east. Much like jet airliners, muslims in the us should actually pray northeast...

Yet their whole bullshit religion should be washed down south, with a nice glass of Kool-aid.

 

[Brawny]

Wow, you might even beat out wii_boy and the_next_tiger as the gayest member in the history of wiichat.

 

[Loaf-head]

Wow, you might even beat out wii_boy and the_next_tiger as the gayest member in the history of wiichat.

Wow! 10/10 on the insults there, Ginsburg.

The fact that you instantly made a smarmy comment about my sexuality (from which you know absolutely nothing about), says a hell of a lot more about your own sexual preference than you could ever prove about my own.

How about you go squat on some dong now, Cisco?