Project M Discussion Thread

[Splash_King]

Shadow Peach

T'is also what I think, but I wouldn't of thought that Paper Mario would get any recognition from PM:BR.

I see the applications that can have but I also see a problem. You have to keep switching your playstyle in mid combat. It's like constantly switching from Marth to Roy except they look exactly like each other sides the color. That is the type of confusion I am talking about. You're going to make a mistake and drop combos.

Plus those colors would confuse teams.

So the duo would have a high skill ceiling. That's a good thing, I reckon.

The issue that comes up for Team Battles is valid, but I'm sure there's a way t' fix that.

If Perma Switching is almost impossible to program then temporary switching would have to do. Also you would have to change the percents at the bottom screen constantly.

... Is that even possible, I wonder?

Clarification: You know Pikachu's QAC is very different from Pichu's QAC. Comparing the two confuses me.

didnt know pichu had a qac lawl

Good point. Although do you agree that Pichu Bros./PraMai's focus should not be chain grabs but combo'ing. If switching is a thing (maybe Side B when the Pichu's are apart), then you can defend both, by playing which ever one is under assault.

Yep, t'was my initial idea with the whole special canceling/switching idea: that they'd heavily focus on chaining moves through heavy usage of both canceling and switchin' to either start deadly combos or end 'em with some extra bite.

Bein' able to switch without actually performin' a move would be a good idea, but I ain't sure it's enough. Even if you switch the moment the CPU is taken aside for a combo, and you DI properly, they can just turn around after knockin' you off the stage and go for the other, essentially goin' back and forth to rack up damage. There's always the chance they'l try t' edgeguard as well. Maybe if the non-cancelled character switch (a raw taunt on the ground or in the air) was literally instantaneously and you could act immediately outta it, that'd work.

 

[Mr. MR]

So the duo would have a high skill ceiling. That's a good thing, I reckon.

Having the same moveset and combo'ing by switching is an already high ceiling. Having different moves would raise it beyond need or want.

The issue that comes up for Team Battles is valid, but I'm sure there's a way t' fix.

By using Pichus...
Think about it. They wouldn't have to create new voices.

Anyway, you should come up with the 2 different movesets for Plusle and Minun (it can be just the Specials) and I will come up with one for the Pichu Bros. then we will present our idea's in a PMBR controlled thread. /Not Joking (I really like this idea)

didnt know pichu had a qac lawl.

I am not sure if it is offically called QAC but it does indeed cancel his Quick Attack
[video=youtube;Xf4AKHWNAB4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf4AKHWNAB4[/video]

Yep, t'was my initial idea with the whole special canceling/switching idea: that they'd heavily focus on chaining moves through heavy usage of both canceling and switchin' to either start deadly combos or end 'em with some extra bite.

Bein' able to switch without actually performin' a move would be a good idea, but I ain't sure it's enough. Even if you switch the moment the CPU is taken aside for a combo, and you DI properly, they can just turn around after knockin' you off the stage and go for the other, essentially goin' back and forth to rack up damage. There's always the chance they'l try t' edgeguard as well. Maybe if the non-cancelled character switch (a raw taunt on the ground or in the air) was literally instantaneously and you could act immediately outta it, that'd work.

Here are all the ways to switch the lead Pichu that I can come up with.

The Buffer Switch: Being able to switch while the other is attacking by pressing a button (Taunt, B, A, or L/R as candidates)
- Personally I don't like the idea of Taunt as the Buffer Switch because it's out of the way
- B could to it. It's not too far away.
- A is probably the easiest to press. Such as Side Tilt -> A Switch -> DACUS. This might be the best option. I can imagine spamming A and having both Pichus Head Butting right after each other.
- L/R is another good choice because Melee players are used to pressing them fast like. But because of that lack of light press might slow things down. And shielding and Air Dodging could be a problem.

Helping Hand Switch: If they are together - Side B throws the Non-Player Pichu and makes him the Player Pichu. If they are apart - Side B switches them immediately.

Quick Attack Switch: The second Pichu becomes the Player Pichu unless canceled.

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- The Picture might be too fuzzy.
- I might have to make a scan later.

Death Switch: If a Pichu dies, the other one becomes the Player Pichu.

Auto Switch: When a Pichu Throws, the other one automatically becomes the Player Pichu.

T'is also what I think, but I wouldn't of thought that Paper Mario would get any recognition from PM:BR.

Coming from the person who praised the Paper Mario franchise. Have a little faith.

Also some random internet person pointed out 4 days ago that Crown Jigglypuff was in the Roy reveal video at 0:36

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One more thing: Project M's Official Doctor Mario Artwork

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Note: RSBE01 is Brawl's Code

On that note:
Now that we have an Alt Costume Engine, what characters/costumes do you want to see?
Here is my list:

• Rosalina over Peach with a Luma instead of Toad and Star Bits instead of Turnips and stars instead of hearts
• Skyward Sword Zelda with Harp Taunt and Loftwing in the Victory Animation
• Conductor Toon Link with a Spirit Tracks kind of Taunt and Victory Animation
• Outset Toon Link I guess has basically been confirmed
• Chrom over Marth with a voice over (although that might be pushing it on the legal realm)
• Vanguard Ike
• Mr. L over Luigi
• Eliwood over Roy
• Magic Armor Link
• Dry Bowser

 

[Tuvillo]

Mr. L is from Paper Mario and is the most likely Luigi outfit from the video's silhouettes, so Dark Peach is an option.

I want to see Fire Emblem things, but I think they're going to stick to ACTUAL outfits. So yeah, Vanguard Ike. (Without turning him into Steroids Ike)


Edit: Megapokémon.

 

[Mr. MR]

I found a Shadow Peach texture on Brawlbox
http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=19808

Also,

There should be a huge announcement sometimes between October 3rd or October 4th. I would check it out if I were you.

UPDATE ON THE ANOUNCEMENT
Not going to happen in that time period. Although that still means they have another "Huge" announcement ready. I wonder what it will be.

He also talked a little about the Alt. Costume Engine

Did you know? The alt costume engine was a project Dantarion started working on a while back as his final contribution to the community before he'd take a break from Brawl hacking. It was never finished and polished to the point it is today until his later return.

Ds22 actually had made strides of advancement in that code however, and is responsible for much of the added costumes being possible as well. In fact, he usually adds the codes himself.

Dr. Mario's costume was an obvious addition, with Mario's moveset heavily mixed with Melee Dr. Mario's. We didn't want to stop at just giving a costume however, so we've also re-textured his fireball into a megavitamin, with the sound effect as well. His cape's colour was textures in accordance with his costume colour, and Forward smash now is electrical. Those are merely aesthetic changes of course, so they will not impact his gameplay.

Both posts can be found here:
https://plus.google.com/105828946404202947372/posts

 

[Splash_King]

Having the same moveset and combo'ing by switching is an already high ceiling. Having different moves would raise it beyond need or want.

Nonsense. Competitive Smash Bros. is all 'bout mindgames, spacing 'n knowledge. A little button-intensive action is by no means too high of a skill ceiling for a good player... as P:M Lucario proves.

you should come up with the 2 different movesets

lol

Quick Attack Switch: The second Pichu becomes the Player Pichu unless canceled.

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- The Picture might be too fuzzy.
- I might have to make a scan later.

You just wanted an excuse t' draw geometry stuff.

... Have I ever mentioned that I'm worried 'bout your mental stability?

Coming from the person who praised the Paper Mario franchise. Have a little faith.

Hard t' have faith when Papyrus Mario has a fanbase many sizes smaller than it deserves...

Megapokémon.

Yesz!

 

[Mr. MR]

[video=youtube;E91_wfIFnx8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E91_wfIFnx8[/video]
Project M Zelda Combo Video

 

[Splash_King]

Zhime impresses yet again.

also i need that subspace battlefield texture

 

[Mr. MR]

Let me search for it...

 

[Cringey]

[video=youtube;E91_wfIFnx8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E91_wfIFnx8[/video]
Project M Zelda Combo Video

Incredible. As a Sheik main, that transformation to stall in the air into a Falcon Knee-like bair will be super useful. I've learned something today, and my friends probably won't expect that. This will definitely earn me some style points. Loved this.

 

[Splash_King]

Speakin' of Zelda, did any pro Melee players main 'er? Only Zelda action I've seen in Melee is M2K tryin' to be a troll and get a four-stock "with Zelda".

 

[Mr. MR]

This can help you too if you play Zelda
But in PM a Shiek/Zelda main should learn both
[video=youtube;anOHGCNvRFo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anOHGCNvRFo[/video]

 

[Cringey]

Speakin' of Zelda, did any pro Melee players main 'er? Only Zelda action I've seen in Melee is M2K tryin' to be a troll and get a four-stock "with Zelda".

Zelda is super ass in Melee. The only Zelda main I know that actually plays Zelda religiously is Cosmo. He used to play competitive melee, but now he just speedruns OoT. I think he holds the world record as of now.

 

[Splash_King]

If only there were more Gimpyfish for other low tiers...

inb4 MR makes waves in the competitive melee scene

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[video=youtube;anOHGCNvRFo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anOHGCNvRFo[/video]

how

 

[Cringey]

This can help you too if you play Zelda
But in PM a Shiek/Zelda main should learn both
[video=youtube;anOHGCNvRFo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anOHGCNvRFo[/video]

Dude what. Incredible smash DI or wat

 

[Mr. MR]

Reverse Momentum Nayru's Love Wavebounce Jump thing