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[Bowserizer]

Any theories on why they didn't actually crash, and instead a white flash//suddenly on island kinda thing?

 

[Lewi T]

Any theories on why they didn't actually crash, and instead a white flash//suddenly on island kinda thing?

My guess is that's just what happens, with the electromagnetism or whatever. Maybe that's what happened the first time, I'm not sure/can't remember.

I'm interested in these 'windows' personally. Do all planes passing over the coordinates of wherever the island currently would be, crash? I'm assuming not since there probably should be numerous crashes, and because the Ajira flight needed to be similar to the Oceanic flight (having the same people, etc). But how did the first plane actually crash? I can't remember if this is a theory or if it's been said, but was it because the button wasn't pressed causing an electromagnetic storm (or something) at the same time as the plane was passing, therefore causing it to crash? To be honest, I don't even know what or why I'm waffling on about.

 

[Bio]

Any theories on why they didn't actually crash, and instead a white flash//suddenly on island kinda thing?

Oceanic Flight 815 crashed because of Desmond, and seeing as he couldn't possibly also crash the Ajira plane, the flash was just the way this plane managed to enter The Island.

The Flashes causing entry into the Island could also explain how the Black Rock (the ship that Danielle came in) ended up shipwrecked in the middle of The Island.

 

[Napalmbrain]

It seems that all of the left-behind Losties got jobs with Dharma as well, what with Faraday in the first episode, and Jin just then. That should be interesting.

Anyone got any thoughts on what kind of time we're in on the island now? I think it could quite some time after the last flash when Locke turned the wheel, since as soon as I saw Jin I thought his hair was longer, maybe? I know it doesn't really matter, but I guess it's nice to know. Or think we know. But that could mean some episodes devoted to what the left-behind Losties have been up to.

Perhaps, in the same way three years passed off-island, maybe three years has passed relative to the left-behinders? Certainly gives enough time for Jin and Daniel (and presumably the rest of them) to work their way up the Dharma ladder.

My guess is that's just what happens, with the electromagnetism or whatever. Maybe that's what happened the first time, I'm not sure/can't remember.

I'm interested in these 'windows' personally. Do all planes passing over the coordinates of wherever the island currently would be, crash? I'm assuming not since there probably should be numerous crashes, and because the Ajira flight needed to be similar to the Oceanic flight (having the same people, etc). But how did the first plane actually crash? I can't remember if this is a theory or if it's been said, but was it because the button wasn't pressed causing an electromagnetic storm (or something) at the same time as the plane was passing, therefore causing it to crash? To be honest, I don't even know what or why I'm waffling on about.

According to the season 2 finale, flight 815 crashed because Desmond didn't press the button in the Swan in time, and it led to a electromagnetic build-up. Perhaps something similar happened to flight 316, but with the Orchid instead? The really odd thing is, if they were teleported to the Dharma era, how come there's that Ajira Airways water bottle at the camp during one of the Flashes (which is obviously meant to be the future)?

I'm also wondering about the other 2 people on the plane (the Middle Eastern-looking guy and the woman escorting Sayid). There's got to be something up with them.

 

[Lewi T]

According to the season 2 finale, flight 815 crashed because Desmond didn't press the button in the Swan in time, and it led to a electromagnetic build-up. Perhaps something similar happened to flight 316, but with the Orchid instead? The really odd thing is, if they were teleported to the Dharma era, how come there's that Ajira Airways water bottle at the camp during one of the Flashes (which is obviously meant to be the future)?

Ah nice one, I wasn't sure if what I was thinking was correct or just a theory.
Bur yeah, maybe something similar did happen, except how would Hawking know that? Is the 'window' just the available time of a flight flying over the specific coordinates, or is it some other window and they just needed to find a flight that passed over the specific coordinates at the same time as this window?
That is odd though, the flash that took them to the time where the water bottle was at the camp, was obviously (said loosely) at a time when the Ajira plane had already crashed, meaning the Oceanic 6 are back on the island. But that would mean the left-behind Losties had already worked for Dharma (or whatever), but we know that isn't true. I'm not sure how that will work.

I'm also wondering about the other 2 people on the plane (the Middle Eastern-looking guy and the woman escorting Sayid). There's got to be something up with them.

Oh yeah. I initially thought that the woman escorting Sayid somehow represented the fella who escorted Kate originally (going with the whole 'things being the same' idea). No idea about the Middle-Eastern looking chap, he's bound to play a part though.

 

[Napalmbrain]

Ah nice one, I wasn't sure if what I was thinking was correct or just a theory.
Bur yeah, maybe something similar did happen, except how would Hawking know that? Is the 'window' just the available time of a flight flying over the specific coordinates, or is it some other window and they just needed to find a flight that passed over the specific coordinates at the same time as this window?
That is odd though, the flash that took them to the time where the water bottle was at the camp, was obviously (said loosely) at a time when the Ajira plane had already crashed, meaning the Oceanic 6 are back on the island. But that would mean the left-behind Losties had already worked for Dharma (or whatever), but we know that isn't true. I'm not sure how that will work.

*Head a-splodes*

 

[Bowserizer]

I'm thinking that the plane crashed in the past. The losties (Jin, e.t.c) Went back to the past with the flash, and joined up with the Dharma Initiative, because they would be in danger otherwise. The plane crashes and the losties see that the Oceanic 6 came back. Lewi, you are forgetting that we missed a large gap of time of the losties. This is when they, evidently, must have joined up with Dharma after they time traveled to the past.


....I think?

 

[Lewi T]

I'm thinking that the plane crashed in the past. The losties (Jin, e.t.c) Went back to the past with the flash, and joined up with the Dharma Initiative, because they would be in danger otherwise. The plane crashes and the losties see that the Oceanic 6 came back. Lewi, you are forgetting that we missed a large gap of time of the losties. This is when they, evidently, must have joined up with Dharma after they time traveled to the past.


....I think?

Oh yeah I know we've missed a big gap...but *this has taken a long time of me trying to get my head round it, therefore I'm just going to list two points points*

-The timing of the Ajira bottle suggests that the plane had already crashed, meaning Jack, etc are on the island at that time. Do we know what time that is?
-Jack, etc wake up from the crash and see Jin, who is in Dharma clothes suggesting he is working for them, suggesting that this time is ahead of the last flash we saw with Sawyer, etc (since there must be time for them to get jobs, etc). Is this time ahead of Sawyer, etc finding the Ajira bottle? You would think it is, because they don't have the Dharma jobs yet, but maybe it's before, and the finding of the Ajira bottle hasn't happened yet?

Okay I'm confused, I think.

 

[Bowserizer]

Oh yeah I know we've missed a big gap...but *this has taken a long time of me trying to get my head round it, therefore I'm just going to list two points points*

-The timing of the Ajira bottle suggests that the plane had already crashed, meaning Jack, etc are on the island at that time. Do we know what time that is?
-Jack, etc wake up from the crash and see Jin, who is in Dharma clothes suggesting he is working for them, suggesting that this time is ahead of the last flash we saw with Sawyer, etc (since there must be time for them to get jobs, etc). Is this time ahead of Sawyer, etc finding the Ajira bottle? You would think it is, because they don't have the Dharma jobs yet, but maybe it's before, and the finding of the Ajira bottle hasn't happened yet?

Okay I'm confused, I think.

I think it was BEFORE then. I think they went back in time, and joined with the old Dharma Initiative, which they were able to o because of traveling back in time. They had time to get jobs in the past, and the losties have crashed back in time.

 

[Lewi T]

I think it was BEFORE then. I think they went back in time, and joined with the old Dharma Initiative, which they were able to o because of traveling back in time. They had time to get jobs in the past, and the losties have crashed back in time.

Wasn't the last flash with Sawyer, etc earlier than pretty much anything though? Because the Orchid wasn't around so it must be slightly pre-Dharma or early Dharma. So then they get jobs and that, then the plane crashes...which is would be ahead of the last flash with Sawyer, etc?

I think we mean the same thing but think the other is talking about something else. Lol.

 

[Bowserizer]

Its so confusing its hard to even understand what I think is going on much less what everyone else thinks :lol:

 

[1337endo]

Great episode last night. It's kinda rushed though, I didn't like how they just put everyone on the plane without explaining anything, but I suppose it will be told in future episodes.

My questions:

What happened to Aaron? (Most likely no one will know)

What favor did Ben do before the flight that left him bloody and beaten? (Again, most likely no one will know for sure)

Who's that guy that told Jack he was sorry about John Locke dying in the airport? He was also in the first class section with Jack and co.

 

[LevesqueIsKing]

It seems as though we're being led to believe that everyone that was in that section of the plane was getting on the island (they introduced us to the man that 1337 was talking about, and the girl sitting next to Sayid was in the preview for next week), but do you guys really think Ben will be back? According to himself, you can't come back after you move the island.

 

[Napalmbrain]

It seems as though we're being led to believe that everyone that was in that section of the plane was getting on the island (they introduced us to the man that 1337 was talking about, and the girl sitting next to Sayid was in the preview for next week), but do you guys really think Ben will be back? According to himself, you can't come back after you move the island.

Ben is a frequent liar, of course.

 

[Bio]

It seems as though we're being led to believe that everyone that was in that section of the plane was getting on the island (they introduced us to the man that 1337 was talking about, and the girl sitting next to Sayid was in the preview for next week), but do you guys really think Ben will be back? According to himself, you can't come back after you move the island.

As I speculated before, Ben probably killed (or, as added by Napalm, tried to kill) Penny. He said he wanted to fullfill a promise he made to an old friend. Charles Widmore is an old "friend" of his, and he told him that he would kill his daughter because Widmore "broke the rules" by killing Alex.

Oh yeah I know we've missed a big gap...but *this has taken a long time of me trying to get my head round it, therefore I'm just going to list two points points*

-The timing of the Ajira bottle suggests that the plane had already crashed, meaning Jack, etc are on the island at that time. Do we know what time that is?
-Jack, etc wake up from the crash and see Jin, who is in Dharma clothes suggesting he is working for them, suggesting that this time is ahead of the last flash we saw with Sawyer, etc (since there must be time for them to get jobs, etc). Is this time ahead of Sawyer, etc finding the Ajira bottle? You would think it is, because they don't have the Dharma jobs yet, but maybe it's before, and the finding of the Ajira bottle hasn't happened yet?

Okay I'm confused, I think.

You confused yourself. But that's somewhat okay since nothing can be resolved about that yet.

If we are to assume Sawyer group has not flashed to when they already exist on The Island as their time-travelling selves and elsewhere as Dharma workers (which would make it impossible to pinpoint when they have involved themselves with Dharma), then the time-order is probably like this:

Sawyer group with rope stuck in ground -> Sawyer group finding Ajira Bottle -> Jack group returns

Assuming there have been no more "clone flashes" after that flash with Kate delivering Aaron, that's probably the order. But considering that it has happened once already (when Sawyer saw Kate), that creates an issue, and so we can't be sure about this order yet.

And we have another major issue: The Bottle Flash. We don't know with accuracy when it is. I have a hunch that someone else made it to the Island around the time of the Ajira "crash" (Desmond, probably), but there is no telling as to when the "entrance flash" (which is to the Bottle Flash time period) took the raft person in relation to the Ajira Plane flash, making the true time-order impossible to figure out right now.