Does God exist?

[1985Camaro]

NO. There is more proof of evolution, and how the earth formed than there is of your so-called "God". If "God" exists then why are we in this economy right now? Why do most people have crappy lives?(hobos, etc.) There is no "God"!

So much negative... So much...

God didn't give you guys this so-called "economy" or that crappy lives. It's what those people chose their life to be... It's like this:

If you don't pass college or graduate High School it's more likely to live in the streets.

The economy is George W. Bush fault... In America, so many people are easily manipulated by his words... Then this economy happens.

Rob some bank money eventually no one will trust in that person.


It just so happens he does exist. He just doesn't go around you because you don't believe in him. I do and so far my life is great! I pray to God every day to be thankful what I have and I live every day. Maybe he is letting you live for now 'cause there is a chance to live on here on Earth and on heaven. If you choose to denie it... So long...

erm........sorry? It's just what I believe. and I was saying "God" should be helping us if he existed.

 

[her01771]

he is. in a way you cant understand.and im just talking your language napalm. @ shadow that was a "fail" indeed :lolG, my tip is for you, believe what you believe. i wouldnt change my opinion because some ppl i dont know trying to make me athiest. if u want evidence, search for it.

 

[DG~X]

Eh,there isnt really evidence god is real so computer will just lie.So,theres no point.

 

[her01771]

alright, do wat u want. ill still be friends, im not bothered.

 

[Shadow*91]

it was fail because i posted truth? so that makes lies lije religion and god win?


geez how i wish Turk would come back. at least arguing with him meant evidence was being disputed and not idiots just posting opinions.

 

[Phoenix Wright]

it was fail because i posted truth? so that makes lies lije religion and god win?


geez how i wish Turk would come back. at least arguing with him meant evidence was being disputed and not idiots just posting opinions.

It was a fail because you want us to accept that, which us Christians can just turn the table and say to accept Christianity. Tell me one thing people, where do humans evolve from? and, how does the 'big bang theroy' work exactly? Tell me yet another thing, since this was a discussion about God existing, how come it ends up much more than just that? So, now that you can 'prove' evoulution, you expect everyone to believe that? Coming with excuses that Christianity is just a reassurance to our deaths? What about people with cancer? They pray, and one day, someone's cancer magically disappears with doctors being able to add their scientific reasoning to it? So, how exactly is this going to pursuade other religions to believe in man's 'evolution'? No shadow91, you're 'learn to accept it' excuse is fail. No matter how you say it, and it's going on my siggy for the fun of it! You wanted a answer, so there's your answer, by your's truly, BoZ EDIT! (shadow91, since when did you provide good arguments? remember that 'sonic is gay' argument that you attempted on me awhile back ago? all you did was send me a jolly pm, (probably because you were getting me back?) and saying how he hangs with tails and them, but have you forgotten the good ole Sally who Sonic had a thing for? not to mention sharah, and the little princess in the unleashed game, so you say how our arguments are pointless? xD - Sorry MODs for going off topic, but some people accidentally forget things.. lol

 

[Shadow*91]

it was fail because i posted truth? so that makes lies lije religion and god win?


geez how i wish Turk would come back. at least arguing with him meant evidence was being disputed and not idiots just posting opinions.

It was a fail because you want us to accept that, which us Christians can just turn the table and say to accept Christianity. Tell me one thing people, where do humans evolve from? and, how does the 'big bang theroy' work exactly? Tell me yet another thing, since this was a discussion about God existing, how come it ends up much more than just that? So, now that you can 'prove' evoulution, you expect everyone to believe that? Coming with excuses that Christianity is just a reassurance to our deaths? What about people with cancer? They pray, and one day, someone's cancer magically disappears with doctors being able to add their scientific reasoning to it? So, how exactly is this going to pursuade other religions to believe in man's 'evolution'? No shadow91, you're 'learn to accept it' excuse is fail. No matter how you say it, and it's going on my siggy for the fun of it! You wanted a answer, so there's your answer, by your's truly, BoZ

i was saying you should accept what's been proven. evolution has been proven, to deny it is just idiotic. "where'd we evolve from?" we evolved from an ancient extinct type of ape, same with current apes and gorillas. we share a common ancester.

the big bang theory pretty much states that our universe came into being in one huge explosion. while i don't know or understand exactly how it works, it sounds a lot more believable then some higher power creating everything in 7 days. i'm pretty sure Napalm or someone else smarter then me can explain it better.

as for cancer, that doesn't just up and vanish without cause. there are scientific treatments meant to get rid of it. granted it's not foolproof and doesn't always work, but its better then muttering into the air for some nonexistent being to come cure them.

so no, my 'learn to accept it' isn't fail. it's just truth. denying what's been proven for something that doesn't exist is fail.

 

[Phoenix Wright]

it was fail because i posted truth? so that makes lies lije religion and god win?


geez how i wish Turk would come back. at least arguing with him meant evidence was being disputed and not idiots just posting opinions.

It was a fail because you want us to accept that, which us Christians can just turn the table and say to accept Christianity. Tell me one thing people, where do humans evolve from? and, how does the 'big bang theroy' work exactly? Tell me yet another thing, since this was a discussion about God existing, how come it ends up much more than just that? So, now that you can 'prove' evoulution, you expect everyone to believe that? Coming with excuses that Christianity is just a reassurance to our deaths? What about people with cancer? They pray, and one day, someone's cancer magically disappears with doctors being able to add their scientific reasoning to it? So, how exactly is this going to pursuade other religions to believe in man's 'evolution'? No shadow91, you're 'learn to accept it' excuse is fail. No matter how you say it, and it's going on my siggy for the fun of it! You wanted a answer, so there's your answer, by your's truly, BoZ

i was saying you should accept what's been proven. evolution has been proven, to deny it is just idiotic. "where'd we evolve from?" we evolved from an ancient extinct type of ape, same with current apes and gorillas. we share a common ancester.

the big bang theory pretty much states that our universe came into being in one huge explosion. while i don't know or understand exactly how it works, it sounds a lot more believable then some higher power creating everything in 7 days. i'm pretty sure Napalm or someone else smarter then me can explain it better.

as for cancer, that doesn't just up and vanish without cause. there are scientific treatments meant to get rid of it. granted it's not foolproof and doesn't always work, but its better then muttering into the air for some nonexistent being to come cure them.

so no, my 'learn to accept it' isn't fail. it's just truth. denying what's been proven for something that doesn't exist is fail.

ah, but, animals have no ability to reason from good-bad, so how could we pick that up from them all of a sudden? they do not even know how to use their thumb, yet we picked that up as well? the big bang theory could not possibly be real, the universe is an everlasting era, yet science surely couldn't be involved with that, nor making the planets round and stuff. now us humans are out there proving that there were lifeforms out in mars, and yet, we see no proof at all, even though science says there's traces of it. Should we just 'believe' that? Funny, isn't it? Doctors are still in puzzlement through the 'sudden' dissapearence of people's cancer's. If the kimotheropy was involved, it should be working on a great deal of people like that, yet it don't. (AND if we descended from monkeys, how come we still aren't seeing monkey's evolving into humans as of today? Billy the Silver-back Gorrila has yet to perform a human evolution.. Same with other monkeys, apes, gorrilas, etc. I'm not seeing anything being evolved into anything, yet science says 'long ago' there was. Should we just 'believe' that too? Hmm...

 

[Shadow*91]

evolution happens over thousands of years. of course we wouldn't see it in yours or my lifetime. also evolution depends on the enviroment and needs of the species. its unlikely that a gorilla would eventually evolve into a human because: A:it wasn't the modern gorillas that evolved into humans but a distant ancester. and B: because the environment and species doesn't need any human traights or abilities to survive.

the ability to reason came from our higher intellect. but you under-estimate the primates. they have the ability to reason, just on a very primitive level.

and yes, while we have use of our thumbs most gorillas don't. but one, the orangatang, does use his/her thumbs.

as i said, i don't fully understand the big bang myself, i just find it more reasonable then some god making it. ask someone or google it to get that answer.

and there is proof that at one time there was life on Mars. scientists discovered bacteria in the ice on Mars, bacteria is a very primitive form of life. whether or not there still is life remains to be seen, but its been proven that at one point there was.

show an example of someones cancer 'just suddenly vanishing' cause i think your making that up.

and kimotherapy doesn't work for everyone because not everybody can handle the radiation. or a docter could make a small mistake and over or under-radiate the patient. that's why its a dangerous and risky procedure that doesn't always work.


so yes, you should believe science over religion because science has proof. religion has false beliefs and superstitions.

 

[Napalmbrain]

the big bang theory could not possibly be real, the universe is an everlasting era, yet science surely couldn't be involved with that,

Allow me to explain. The Universe, as you should know, is expanding. Therefore, it's a reasonable assumption that if you trace this expansion backwards, the Universe would at some time in the past, it was a single point. Why this point started expanding, we don't know yet, but that doesn't mean we'll never know (remember, science is a process of discovery). Anyway this 'Big Bang' left behind a faint background glow of radiation, called the cosmic microwave background, which we've managed to map out quite accurately:

or making the planets round and stuff.

Planets are round because of gravity.

now us humans are out there proving that there were lifeforms out in mars, and yet, we see no proof at all, even though science says there's traces of it. Should we just 'believe' that?

No one's telling you to believe that. Many scientists are sceptical that there is life on Mars. But, there is some evidence to suggest there was once water on Mars (and there still is at its ice caps), and if Earth is anything to go by, you can find life anywhere where there is water.

Funny, isn't it? Doctors are still in puzzlement through the 'sudden' dissapearence of people's cancer's. If the kimotheropy was involved, it should be working on a great deal of people like that, yet it don't.

Yes, on rare occasions cancers do mysteriously vanish. That's why we should do science, to explain things like that. Maybe it would allow us to help other people whose cancers haven't mysteriously vanished.

(AND if we descended from monkeys, how come we still aren't seeing monkey's evolving into humans as of today? Billy the Silver-back Gorrila has yet to perform a human evolution.. Same with other monkeys, apes, gorrilas, etc. I'm not seeing anything being evolved into anything, yet science says 'long ago' there was. Should we just 'believe' that too? Hmm...

Creationists keep making this mistake, so I'll spell it out nice and clear: That's not how it works. If you actually bothered to learn how evolution works, you'd know there is no reason expect modern-day monkeys and apes to evolve into humans.

You keep asking for evidence for evolution, so I'll tell you about a truly brilliant experiment showing it in action: for a little over 20 years now, Richard Lenski and his team have been observing 12 groups of E. coli bacteria all kept in a lab. Every so often, they take a small sample from each group and freeze them, allowing them to keep a genetic record which can be analysed at any time. At some point, one of these groups evolved the ability to utilise citrate, something which E. coli cannot normally do. So they unfroze some of the samples from that group's past. They discovered that the more recent unfrozen samples also evolved the citrate-utilising ability, but the earlier ones didn't. Unfrozen samples from the other groups didn't produce the ability. It turns out that the ability was caused by mutations of two particular genes. The earlier samples didn't have either mutation, while the more recent ones had one of the mutations, so they were more likely to evolve the ability because they only needed one mutation. So not only had they observed evolution in the lab, but they knew approximately when that group evolved the ability, and what caused it.

 

[The Storm]

It was a fail because you want us to accept that, which us Christians can just turn the table and say to accept Christianity. Tell me one thing people, where do humans evolve from? and, how does the 'big bang theroy' work exactly? Tell me yet another thing, since this was a discussion about God existing, how come it ends up much more than just that? So, now that you can 'prove' evoulution, you expect everyone to believe that? Coming with excuses that Christianity is just a reassurance to our deaths? What about people with cancer? They pray, and one day, someone's cancer magically disappears with doctors being able to add their scientific reasoning to it? So, how exactly is this going to pursuade other religions to believe in man's 'evolution'? No shadow91, you're 'learn to accept it' excuse is fail. No matter how you say it, and it's going on my siggy for the fun of it! You wanted a answer, so there's your answer, by your's truly, BoZ

i was saying you should accept what's been proven. evolution has been proven, to deny it is just idiotic. "where'd we evolve from?" we evolved from an ancient extinct type of ape, same with current apes and gorillas. we share a common ancester.

the big bang theory pretty much states that our universe came into being in one huge explosion. while i don't know or understand exactly how it works, it sounds a lot more believable then some higher power creating everything in 7 days. i'm pretty sure Napalm or someone else smarter then me can explain it better.

as for cancer, that doesn't just up and vanish without cause. there are scientific treatments meant to get rid of it. granted it's not foolproof and doesn't always work, but its better then muttering into the air for some nonexistent being to come cure them.

so no, my 'learn to accept it' isn't fail. it's just truth. denying what's been proven for something that doesn't exist is fail.

ah, but, animals have no ability to reason from good-bad, so how could we pick that up from them all of a sudden? they do not even know how to use their thumb, yet we picked that up as well? the big bang theory could not possibly be real, the universe is an everlasting era, yet science surely couldn't be involved with that, nor making the planets round and stuff. now us humans are out there proving that there were lifeforms out in mars, and yet, we see no proof at all, even though science says there's traces of it. Should we just 'believe' that? Funny, isn't it? Doctors are still in puzzlement through the 'sudden' dissapearence of people's cancer's. If the kimotheropy was involved, it should be working on a great deal of people like that, yet it don't. (AND if we descended from monkeys, how come we still aren't seeing monkey's evolving into humans as of today? Billy the Silver-back Gorrila has yet to perform a human evolution.. Same with other monkeys, apes, gorrilas, etc. I'm not seeing anything being evolved into anything, yet science says 'long ago' there was. Should we just 'believe' that too? Hmm...

Wow.... It must be nice to be so ignorant... I should prolly try it someday. The "reasoning good from bad" thing... lol... We picked that up from ourselves. Good and bad is a point of view buddy. Animals dont see killing another animal as being bad.... But humans see killing another human as bad. They dont know right and wrong because honestly, there is no right and wrong. We just create right and wrong as another way to control people to stop them from doing things we dont want them to. Im not saying its not a good thing, im just trying to explain it to you.

Its chemotherapy too...

You say the big bang theory cannot be real, bc the universe is an everlasting era... isnt that quite a bit contradictory? So you would rather believe that the creation of the universe didnt happen from an explosion in one point, but from some supreme being that made it in seven days? Even that itself is contradictory. The Bible never said god created the universe, just that he created the world in seven days. Then where the hell did everything else come from i wonder?

I pretty much lol at the gorilla thing... makes no sense at all. You really expect a monkey to just transform into a human like that? wrong... takes a long, long time. The monkeys that evolved into what we are now were called Cro Magnon. Google it if ya like.

 

[Napalmbrain]

I pretty much lol at the gorilla thing... makes no sense at all. You really expect a monkey to just transform into a human like that? wrong... takes a long, long time. The monkeys that evolved into what we are now were called Cro Magnon. Google it if ya like.

I should stop you there before one of the creationists point this out and take it the wrong way. Cro-Magnon was just an earlier form of Homo sapiens, not a monkey. Humans are thought to have evolved from an extinct ape called Australopithecus africanus.

This is a simplified version of the human evolutionary tree, based on current knowledge:

 

[Skippy]

the big bang theory could not possibly be real, the universe is an everlasting era,

That sentence makes no grammatical sense so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Even the Bible says the universe was created and had a beginning, so that doesn't conflict with the big bang theory.

yet science surely couldn't be involved with that, nor making the planets round and stuff.

Planets are round because of gravity. They're not carved out of solid blocks.

as i said, i don't fully understand the big bang myself, i just find it more reasonable then some god making it. ask someone or google it to get that answer.

For what it's worth, the Bible says the universe had a beginning as well. The Big Bang could be the that beginning, it doesn't conflict.

and there is proof that at one time there was life on Mars. scientists discovered bacteria in the ice on Mars, bacteria is a very primitive form of life. whether or not there still is life remains to be seen, but its been proven that at one point there was.

No no no. You're confusing stories. No current or former life has ever been found on Mars. What has been found is primitive bacteria ON EARTH living in inhospitable icy condition similar to those in the Martian ice caps. So the conjecture is just that it's theoretically possible for similar bacteria to live in those same conditions on Mars. Read more here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/120270.stm
But again: no life has been found on Mars. That would be one of the most monumental discoveries in the history of mankind.

show an example of someones cancer 'just suddenly vanishing' cause i think your making that up.

Cancer can go into spontaneous remission even with no medical treatment given. However it happens to atheists as well as Christians, Muslins, Buddhists, etc.

and kimotherapy doesn't work for everyone because not everybody can handle the radiation. or a docter could make a small mistake and over or under-radiate the patient. that's why its a dangerous and risky procedure that doesn't always work.

Chemotherapy is not radiation therapy. They are different things. Chemotherapy is strong doses of various chemicals that are given in hopes that it destroys the cancer. It's typically quite toxic though and can make the patient very sick. But it's the lesser of two evils in most cases. Radiation therapy uses radioactive substances to also try and kill cancer. Oftentimes both types or treatment are used, but it depends on the cancer.

 

[Shadow*91]

remission is one thing, disappearing is another. if it goes into remission, its still there and docters can see its still there. but cancer does not just disappear.

 

[Phoenix Wright]

evolution happens over thousands of years. of course we wouldn't see it in yours or my lifetime. also evolution depends on the enviroment and needs of the species. its unlikely that a gorilla would eventually evolve into a human because: A:it wasn't the modern gorillas that evolved into humans but a distant ancester. and B: because the environment and species doesn't need any human traights or abilities to survive.

the ability to reason came from our higher intellect. but you under-estimate the primates. they have the ability to reason, just on a very primitive level.

and yes, while we have use of our thumbs most gorillas don't. but one, the orangatang, does use his/her thumbs.

as i said, i don't fully understand the big bang myself, i just find it more reasonable then some god making it. ask someone or google it to get that answer.

and there is proof that at one time there was life on Mars. scientists discovered bacteria in the ice on Mars, bacteria is a very primitive form of life. whether or not there still is life remains to be seen, but its been proven that at one point there was.

show an example of someones cancer 'just suddenly vanishing' cause i think your making that up.

and kimotherapy doesn't work for everyone because not everybody can handle the radiation. or a docter could make a small mistake and over or under-radiate the patient. that's why its a dangerous and risky procedure that doesn't always work.


so yes, you should believe science over religion because science has proof. religion has false beliefs and superstitions.

but see, it's all mixed up. you say believe in it, yet man has not 'physically' seen anything of the sort. we say believe in Christianity, yet we haven't seen anything either. and no, i'm not making anything up about cancer. someone I knew had it, and she had only 2 more months to live. around the fourth week, she seemed to look a lot better than normal, no grey eyes, just like a healthy person, so we took her to the doctor, and they lost all traces with the cancer. to this very day, they are still working on her, trying to see where it went. A_A there's no 'proof' that i can give, unless I just go up to her and say it herself, but even that would be immoral. we are proving evolution, yet, we can't see it? same with Christianity.. it's not good enough saying that we came from some ancient ape, and bacteria is just bacteria. if that's all there was as far as life goes, then so be it, but there's no way 'aliens' or anything of the sort ever existed. either way, through research and all, you say to believe in evolution. unless there are cold-hard facts, without all these doctrines that rise up, how would this be supported? but, as it's written in the bible, 'evolution' is going to be the 'one-world' peace that we are supposedly seeking. that, and the same currency, schools, laws, everything. it's coming, and when it does, there will be all sorts of proof for Christianity. Yet, none shall believe me, nor any other, and once it gets worse, we Christians will be prosecuted for ranting on for it. this will happen, as it is written. I still don't know when, nobody does, may be after our lifetimes.. okay, as for people saying that im contradicting myself, don't we realizing that we are only contradicting everything we say? "Mormonism teaches that there are many gods in existence, and that you can become a god. Christianity teaches that there is only one God, and you cannot become a god. Islam teaches that Jesus is not God in flesh, where Christianity does. Jesus cannot be both God and not God at the same time. Some religions teach that we reincarnate, while others do not. Some teach there is a hell, and others do not. They cannot all be true. If they cannot all be true, it cannot be true that all religions lead to God. Furthermore, it means that some religions are, at the very least, false in their claims to reveal the true God (or gods). Remember, truth does not contradict itself. If God exists, He will not institute mutually exclusive and contradictory belief systems in an attempt to get people to believe in Him. you guys say that God is an evil God, yet where are you? He is a true God, a God that gives out the truth. If you believe in other religions, then why would God want to give you his grace? think about it.. I'm ashlee's boyfriend, and if I hung around other women, would ashlee want to be with me? I don't think so, same with God and you guys. Why should anyone trust in Christianity over Islam, Buddhism, Mormonism, or anything else? It is because there are absolute truths. Only in Christianity are there accurately fulfilled prophecies of a coming Messiah. Only in Christianity do we have the extremely accurate transmission of the eyewitness documents (gospels), so we can trust what was originally written. Only in Christianity do we have the person of Christ who claimed to be God, performed many miracles to prove His claim of divinity, who died and rose from the dead, and who said that He alone was the Way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6). All this adds to the legitimacy and credibility of Christianity above all other religions -- all based on the person of Jesus. It could not be that Jesus is the only Truth, and other religions also be the truth. Either Jesus is true and all other religions are false, or other religions are true and Jesus is false. There are no other options. I choose to follow the risen Lord Jesus. that's what i feel, and the bible has eyewitnesses, which is big deal between other religions. tell me this, how could someone predict something in 1000 year, and have it come true the way he said it? God told us that Jesus would die for our sins, and the exact words he would say, and they came true. :/