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Please don't force me to defend Jigglypuff again, I already did that. =/
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RockerJ
Still Obsessed with P4
All I'm saying is that IF they decide to kick a Pokemon, I think it should be Jiggly. Lucario is probably gonna get replaced by something 5th gen.
Splash_King
The Scrubbiest of Hunters
YOU FOOL! Open those gigantic yellow ears.
I've already mentioned on a few occasions Storm made one some time ago.
One that I gave my full approval on.T_T
Zoroark seems to be the most popular for replacing Lucario. I can't say anything about it though, since I haven't kept much track of the latest generation of Pokemon. I played the Red, Gold, and much later Platinum I think; that's it.
In related news though, rather than worrying about kicking Pokemon, can we talk more about kicking or de-cloning the three Star Fox characters before they, to my dismay, decide to keep all three and THEN throw in Krystal as another exact clone? Don't worry guys, she'll get a Green Landmaster.
Also, de-cloning Ganondorf would be top on my list of things to do for the game. He's got plenty enough moves to be his own character. Trident, flaming bats, lightning ball, Ganon Spirit Bomb, sword, the works. I don't know what was going through their heads when they decided to make Ganondorf a clone of Captain Falcon.
Let's see, they can either remove Toon Link or de-clone him as well. They could make Toon Link go on the more 2D side of the Zelda games, using things like the magic rods and canes, sword beam, hurricane spin, and change his final smash to Bombos or the Hurricane Spin itself. I'd prefer removal of Toon Link though, as that'd leave more room for an entirely unique Zelda character like Ghirahim or Midna.
Same goes for Lucas. I do honestly play Lucas over Ness because of PK Freeze and a not as easily terminated PK Thunder, but there was talk about how they want customization employed into the game, and that claim would be a perfect opportunity to combine the moves of all the current clones into one.
I'd also like to add that despite all the brand spanking new clones that came with Brawl, they removed Mewtwo who's only similar move to Lucario was Shadow Ball.
In related news though, rather than worrying about kicking Pokemon, can we talk more about kicking or de-cloning the three Star Fox characters before they, to my dismay, decide to keep all three and THEN throw in Krystal as another exact clone? Don't worry guys, she'll get a Green Landmaster.
Also, de-cloning Ganondorf would be top on my list of things to do for the game. He's got plenty enough moves to be his own character. Trident, flaming bats, lightning ball, Ganon Spirit Bomb, sword, the works. I don't know what was going through their heads when they decided to make Ganondorf a clone of Captain Falcon.
Let's see, they can either remove Toon Link or de-clone him as well. They could make Toon Link go on the more 2D side of the Zelda games, using things like the magic rods and canes, sword beam, hurricane spin, and change his final smash to Bombos or the Hurricane Spin itself. I'd prefer removal of Toon Link though, as that'd leave more room for an entirely unique Zelda character like Ghirahim or Midna.
Same goes for Lucas. I do honestly play Lucas over Ness because of PK Freeze and a not as easily terminated PK Thunder, but there was talk about how they want customization employed into the game, and that claim would be a perfect opportunity to combine the moves of all the current clones into one.
I'd also like to add that despite all the brand spanking new clones that came with Brawl, they removed Mewtwo who's only similar move to Lucario was Shadow Ball.
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Splash_King
The Scrubbiest of Hunters
Hoo boy, I've got a not-so-serious bone to pick with you and your clone talk, son. :lol:
It was probably laziness on their part back in Melee... While I wholeheartedly agree that Ganondorf should of NEVER been a clone in the first place, I wouldn't want Sakurai to change Ganon very much, aside from maybe a few moves. Namely because he's not a clone anymore. Back in Melee, he played quite differently from Falcon in high level play; their difference in tier position is a testament; and they play differently even moreso now. Some more differences in moves/a new B move or two I'd support, but there's no de-cloning to be done, I'd say.
REMOVE Toon?! D: Preposterous. Toon's had his fair share of gaming spot light, so I doubt that'l happen. Likewise, just as Ganon is to Falcon in Brawl, Toon isn't a clone at all. Many similar moves, but they function so differently that their playstyle is even less similar than Ganon to Falcon. Being a once-Tink mainer and two attempts at getting good enough to main Link, I know from experience. I doubt that there'l be a four-characters-per-series limit in SSBU either, or so I'd count on Ninty to employ. Toon should remain, AND a new Zelda character (Ghirahim, most likely) should join the smashing.
They didn't change places because developers believed in any clone issues, but simply because Mewtwo phased out. Lucario's star role in that one movie, as well as 4th Generation games Diamond & Pearl just being released meant that due to the four-per-series limit, it was only logical for Lucario to take Mewtwo's place (as much as Mewtwo deserves the slot more than Jigglypuff... -_-).
It was probably laziness on their part back in Melee... While I wholeheartedly agree that Ganondorf should of NEVER been a clone in the first place, I wouldn't want Sakurai to change Ganon very much, aside from maybe a few moves. Namely because he's not a clone anymore. Back in Melee, he played quite differently from Falcon in high level play; their difference in tier position is a testament; and they play differently even moreso now. Some more differences in moves/a new B move or two I'd support, but there's no de-cloning to be done, I'd say.
REMOVE Toon?! D: Preposterous. Toon's had his fair share of gaming spot light, so I doubt that'l happen. Likewise, just as Ganon is to Falcon in Brawl, Toon isn't a clone at all. Many similar moves, but they function so differently that their playstyle is even less similar than Ganon to Falcon. Being a once-Tink mainer and two attempts at getting good enough to main Link, I know from experience. I doubt that there'l be a four-characters-per-series limit in SSBU either, or so I'd count on Ninty to employ. Toon should remain, AND a new Zelda character (Ghirahim, most likely) should join the smashing.
They didn't change places because developers believed in any clone issues, but simply because Mewtwo phased out. Lucario's star role in that one movie, as well as 4th Generation games Diamond & Pearl just being released meant that due to the four-per-series limit, it was only logical for Lucario to take Mewtwo's place (as much as Mewtwo deserves the slot more than Jigglypuff... -_-).
RockerJ
Still Obsessed with P4
That Zor dude is who I thought would take Lucario's place.
Dixie Kong may finally get a spot. or even King K. Rool.
(Still hoping for Geno)
Dixie Kong may finally get a spot. or even King K. Rool.
(Still hoping for Geno)
Splash_King
The Scrubbiest of Hunters
^ Aside from Zoroark, I'd say none'a those have a good chance...
Contrary to popular belief the Space Animals are not clones. Just because they have similarly looking specials does not make them a clone. BTW having the same final smash does not qualify a character for clonehood.
'bout lucario
Lucario is the only character with a passive ability
I would like to see him in the next smash
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RockerJ
Still Obsessed with P4
I would agree, but Dixie was one of the forbidden 7 things. So just maybe.
Splash_King
The Scrubbiest of Hunters
I derp'd and forgot to respond to BossFight's mention of the three being clones. Woops.
Falco, Fox, and newcomer Wolf were entirely de-cloned in Brawl, so I'd have to agree. All their similar looking moves have just the right changes to make 'em function notably differently.
... Well, except for Up B. Worst of all being that their Up Bs are terrible lol.
Okay, I see where you guys are coming from and how many actually like the slightly different styles of the similar (I'll use this term now) characters.
But come on. Personally to me, I'd much rather have a roster of entirely unique characters rather than a bunch of similar characters. I already know it's too late because they have made so many of the same characters with their different touches that there will always be those who can't do without them.
I'll say this: I'm fine with a bunch of similar characters, so long as it doesn't affect possible fresh, entirely new characters' spots, merely because they don't want to lose the different options for a similar character. If that is the case, then I stand by my remove the similar characters or too similar movesets. There would be complainers, but completely unique characters and movesets would always outweigh similars. For example, if you had to choose to either scrap Falco and Captain Ganon or Olimar and Sonic, who'd sound better to keep? The characters who are entirely unique, that's for sure.
But since we're on a more powerful system coming up, that SHOULD mean we would be able to keep everyone we have now and add quite a few. So long as the new characters aren't Tanooki Mario, Paper Peach, and Louie.
But come on. Personally to me, I'd much rather have a roster of entirely unique characters rather than a bunch of similar characters. I already know it's too late because they have made so many of the same characters with their different touches that there will always be those who can't do without them.
I'll say this: I'm fine with a bunch of similar characters, so long as it doesn't affect possible fresh, entirely new characters' spots, merely because they don't want to lose the different options for a similar character. If that is the case, then I stand by my remove the similar characters or too similar movesets. There would be complainers, but completely unique characters and movesets would always outweigh similars. For example, if you had to choose to either scrap Falco and Captain Ganon or Olimar and Sonic, who'd sound better to keep? The characters who are entirely unique, that's for sure.
But since we're on a more powerful system coming up, that SHOULD mean we would be able to keep everyone we have now and add quite a few. So long as the new characters aren't Tanooki Mario, Paper Peach, and Louie.
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Splash_King
The Scrubbiest of Hunters
Agreed. Be it in replacement to clones or similar visuals, the more unique a character is from the others, the better. Variety is the spice of life; and likewise, gaming. Particularly fighting games. But rather than remove said similar characters, their movesets should simply be renewed. If Fox, Falco, and Wolf really were all terrible clones, they all have the potential to not be clones of each other in the slightest. Why lessen the number of possible roster members for the next game when you can not only increase that number, but make the veterans better and more unique as well, yeah? No point in wasting a character's potential.
Someone's been playing competitively for too long...
/hypocrite
What?! Why? D:
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