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wii are cool!!!!!
its a fad as theres no 3rd party support, it not our faults... if they brung out a good game that appeals to me ( e.g. nmh) ill buy it. but im not going to buy all the crap we've been giving just to boost hardware sales.
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I agree, there are plenty of Wii titles that im looking forward to other than SSBB and Mario Kart. It would be much the same with PS3/360, the only games that i really know about that are coming out are MGS and GTA so you could say that is all they have to look forward to as well.mushroomedmario said:as for software? i really have to disagree with the brawl and mario kart statement, they're just the ones we look forward to the MOST.
wezeles said:The article is biased because he thinks that 1st party Nintendo titles wont keep them ontop compared to the exclusives 3rd partys going to the other consoles. Any Nintendo consumer can tell you 1st party Nintendo ALWAYS dominates sales!
Nintendo has enough 1st party "and will keep pushing them out as needed" to keep up with the hot selling 3rd party titles on the other consoles. You can see that flat out in sales numbers of there first party they keep right up witht he big dogs!
T3kNi9e said:No one is doubting Wii's 1st party sales. The difference is that like other consoles, their 1st party sells good, but not their 3rd parties. Also even if you compare their 1st parties to 360, they are behind in sales and don't try to push that Wii Play/Wii Sports bs because its bundled.
How does it hurt it? Nintendo is pulling in more cash over the past 15 months than ANY console ever made. Ya they are hurting real bad.T3kNi9e said:As for the 3rd-Parties not selling well... No one said it was Nintendo's fault. Just the fact that its not selling well hurts the Wii. It doesn't matter who's fault it is, either way it hurts it.
Are you kidding me? i see endless advertisements for just about every decent game made for both the ps3/360! how many adds also have the Wii? a few but not many and most you have to look for the small Wii suymbol if any at the bottom of the screen.T3kNi9e said:Also 3rd parties don't really advertise their games for 360/PS3 either. Only a few games like Assassins Creed and Call of Duty 4 actually advertised. Also the obvious sports games, wrestling, etc. Outside of AC/CoD4 those sports games have also been selling alot lower on the Wii.
T3kNi9e said:So far the only thing you seem to say that the article was wrong is claiming it was biased without an actual quote backing it up because I don't see it. As for the 3rd-party, you basically agreed with the article, the only difference is you explained why it doesnt sell as if the article lied about its reasons.
source said:In closing, the Wii has seen fantastic sales of its console, but has been very lacking in the software department. They have what is possibly the most innovative control scheme seen since the DualShock and yet it is wildly underutilised. Apart from those two factors Nintendo find themselves in the unenviable position of being completely dependant on their own software for their continued success and have made very little effort in the online scene. Unless these issues are addressed the Wii could very well be the most successful gaming fad in recent history.
wezeles said:What a load of fanboy rubbish.These articles seem endless comming from PS/Xbox lovers the world over.
They continue to say the Wii is a fad as an excuse as to why the "hardcore consoles" are failing "compared to Wii". Attachment rates? sure Wii attachment rates are lower they have probbaly 80% of the casual gamers do you think they are gonna have the same buget for games as the hardcore? They are still outselling them though.
Now comparing it to the 360 is a little unfair to start, it has a year headstart over both the Wii/Ps3 so obviously people have more games for a console they have had longer.The 360 fans keep bringing up these numbers that have more to do with how long its been on the market then how well its selling. The Wii is right on 360 heals or overcomming them in just about every area except attachment rate so its the constant pointless argument. Give us 360 attachment rates at 15 months compared to the Wii at 15 months then you have an argument, not 27 Vs. 15 months thats not even debatable, its a cry for acknowledgement on 360's part!
Game sales.. awsome point lets see what WORLD WIDE game sales are, lets look at the top 5 for all 3 systems and see if this is an argument.
PS3: World Wide Game Sales
1. Motorstorm____________________2.74 million
2. Resistance: Fall of Man___________2.33 million
3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare_____2.31 million
4. Assassins Creed_________________2.21 million
5. Pro Evolution Soccer 2008_________1.28 million
Xbox 360: World Wide Game Sales
1. Halo 3_________________________7.24 million
2. Gears Of War____________________4.97 million
3. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare______4.69 million
4. Forza Motorsport 2________________3.95 million
5. Assassins Creed__________________3.37 million
Wii: World Wide Game Sales
1. Wii Sports______________________19.07 million
2. Wii Play_________________________9.98 million
3. Super Mario Galaxy________________5.75 million
4. Mario Party 8_____________________4.58 million
5. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess_4.56 Million
So wow ya Wii is doing horribal for game sales... Or better than everyone else depends how you look at it :lol:
Based on Console Sold numbers to Games Sold numbers its tied right up with 360. While PS3 is in last place.
Now im sure alot of 360 fanboys will argue my numbers because they are not NPD numbers "United States Sales Numbers" so it makes them look bad "Lets be honest very little people support the 360 outside the USA compared to the other 2 systems", but the truth is video games are sold in more places than the USA and the worldwide numbers are what matter overall. And based on NPD and other worldwide sales numbers I pull it from the only unbiased source that I know of.
Sure Nintendo doesn't have the same 3rd party lineup that the other 2 do.
But the other 2 also don't have the 1st party support that Nintendo does, thats in black and white right in sales numbers. Does it make Wii a fad because the only ones making a good game for the console is Nintendo themself? No of course not! That just means they knew what the console could do before anyone else "obviously they built it" and made games to match the wii-mote not just tack it on to a ported game like alot of 3rd party devs did at the start.
Now we hear all the time of 3rd party support being shifted to the Wii and a whole list of games comming out for the Wii now like Star Wars,Rockband,MX vs. ATV and a promise from 3rd party that help is on the way.
Does Nintendo need help? Well at this rate obvously NO they are doing fine with games like Mario Galaxy,Zelda and games like SSBB and Mario Kart are going to sell just as well if not better.
Now with the majority of the consoles sold worldwide being from the Wii, 3rd party is gonna bring extra games to it, they need the cash of gamers, for that you follow the money "Wii". It's buisness folks these concepts of pride and exclusivity twards one console means nothing except to you! To 3rd party its just a way to make a buck and thats all it ever will be!
Is the Wii a fad? In the sence of gaming every console is a fad they only last 5 years!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fad <--- learn what a fad is!
Based on the deffinition of the word as it is to Console Gaming Hell no it's not a fad! It didn't pop on the scene shortly and quickly die out, its still going strong, with the largest next gen audience.
Will it stay in first? Probably if they keep up with the good 1st party titles, but it won't take a crazy lead agenst the other 2 without great 3rd party support.
We know its on the way thats not the question, it's if it will be good enough to compete with rival 3rd party support on the other 2 consoles.
The only way they can do that is with Wii-mote controls in place of HD graphics so 3rd party has to figure it out quick to keep us happy. If not Nintendo will keep it up they already said they switched game development from 50/50 between Wii/DS to more at Wii because after a few years of the fad of DS they now have plenty of good 3rd party support and they hope the same story will come true for Wii. Only time will tell, a fad its not, if it's history making is still to be seen. So far it has claimed the title of fastest selling game console EVER. Lets see what else they can claim later on.
Shion said:All you had to say was that it is winning in sales man.
Didn't need the long post, that makes you look like a fanboy.
But yes, i agree with you completely.
wezeles said:I never tried to claim he said anything of the sort. What I said was people keep implying that the Wii is a Fad. And his opinion I find biased because he downplays the significance of Nintendo 1st party games. The top 10 selling video game titles of all time are all Nintendo titles, Saying its a fad console because its not pushing out the same games as the other 2 consoles doesn't make it a "fad" console! It sells different style games the significance of the games are no better or worse thats all personal opinion.
Has anyone looked at the deffinition of the word FAD? If we are going by the real deffinition then every gaming console is a fad because they get quick popularity and quickly die off after a few years... Thats the life of a gaming console!
Alright Halo 3 is beating the Wii first party title's so far world wide. Besides that 360 has nothing in the range of the 1st party sales of Nintendo. If you compbine the 1st party titles of the Wii vs. the 1st party of the 360 Wii kills the 360. We all know people go out and buy 360 just for halo the same way people go out and buy Wii for Wii sports.
Now I'm Sorry you dont agree with the sales of bundle packages being significant, but honestly its a sale they made money. On the buisness side of it they sold more and made more profit. They win period. Your own personal opinion doesn't matter when your talking about sales fuigures
Is Halo 3 better than Wii-play? Obviously not, but its still lossing to it maybe MS should have tossed in a free headset with Halo 3, but don't knock Nintendo for making a smart buisness move :lol: :lol:
How does it hurt it? Nintendo is pulling in more cash over the past 15 months than ANY console ever made. Ya they are hurting real bad.
Are you kidding me? i see endless advertisements for just about every decent game made for both the ps3/360! how many adds also have the Wii? a few but not many and most you have to look for the small Wii suymbol if any at the bottom of the screen.
Leaving out the facts might as well be a lie! and the fact that #rd party isnt putting good games on the Wii is the reason why they are not selling, not because its a fad without people buying games. Get a clue
Again none of this is Nintendo's fault 3rd party just need to get off there ass and cash in on the "Fad"
source said:In closing, the Wii has seen fantastic sales of its console, but has been very lacking in the software department. They have what is possibly the most innovative control scheme seen since the DualShock and yet it is wildly underutilised. Apart from those two factors Nintendo find themselves in the unenviable position of being completely dependant on their own software for their continued success and have made very little effort in the online scene. Unless these issues are addressed the Wii could very well be the most successful gaming fad in recent history.
wezeles said:Now im not sure where you learned english, but if you comprehend the language at all you should understand that he is saying the Wii is a Fad, and he is saying unless they conform to the same style as the 360/PS3 that they will remain nothing more than a Fad system.Now maybe they wont be the best selling console of all time, but they don't need 3rd party to kick 360/PS3's butt, thats already been shown.
That quote isn't solid enough. Thats just speculation which is exactly what the article is. The Wii IS failing in the software department. Its got low software sales. The article does not say it IS a fad, it says it COULD be a fad which is the whole point of the article... Debating whether Wii will be a fad or if it will stay strong.
"Is The Wii More Than A Successful Fad?" Thats a question not a statement
Now I'm also not sure where you learned math, but if you can comprehend numbers at all you would have seen what I have been showing with sales numbers over and over again.
Nintendo has the best selling games ever made. Not just on the Wii but for EVERY VIDEO GAME ever made Nintendo dominates the best sellers list. They DO NOT need 3rd party support, just because they don't have it doesn't magically make them a fad console.
Really? Wii has the best sold game? What game? Wii Play and Wii Sports... that bs is bundled... SMG is the highest sold Wii game, but again... the article does NOT deny that Wii sells well with 1st parties, AGAIN... stop restating the obvious. 3RD PARTY IS FAILING NOT 1ST PARTY, I DARE YOU TO DENY THAT, IF YOU DO YOU ARE BIASED... No one said it was a fad, the article is about the possibility that it COULD be a fad.
Now Microsoft does have a couple good 1st party games aswell as Sony, but Nintendo has hmm a few hundred sucessful titles not just a handful.
AGAIN, no one said Wii's 1st party was not selling, why do you keep bringing it up? The article is talking about Wii's 3RD PARTY.
Nintendo acctually had to kick themself when making the GameCube designed more at 3rd party than 1st, they only released about 10% of the Games that came out on the Gamecube as opposed to about 25% or more titles when it comes to there previous consoles.
Nintendo has tried to accept 3rd party and failed losing plenty of money trying.
You are blaming the downfall of Gamecube because they tried to get more 3rd party? No... it failed because gamecube ha inferior versions of the games. For example Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow was fine on the Gamecube, but unlike the Xbox and PS2 it lacked online. But guess what? This has nothing to do with the article.
Now that they are doing well, yet again, with 1st party titles and a new console every critic calls it a "fad" and claim they will fail unless they bow down to 3rd party support.
Again the article is not saying that, its a generalized question saying it COULD be a fad. Since you are not a psychic you don't know wtf is going to happen.
Granted we see an outcry for 3rd party support on WiiChat a forum for more dedicated gamers, but like you said most Wii owners are causual gamers. They could care less about what games make it to the system aslong as its games they like, then it will be purchased. 3rd party support will come now with these console sales, if they sell as well as Nintendo 1st party will be determind by how well the game is made and if it even comes close to a Nintendo title.
Really? You can see into the future? So you KNOW for a fact that 3rd party games will come just because hardware sales are up? So far Wii has the lowest amount of 3rd party game announcements from the 3 consoles... I guess so far you are wrong.
For the most part the "hardcore" will have to purchase more than one console if they want the full experience. Sucks but thats the way it works. You of anyone should know that, your always boasting about having all 3 systems every chance you get, and how it's the only way to experience everything in gaming.
When it comes to Nintendo yes... They seem to always be behind and im not talking about graphics... Im talking games and console features. But do you think all Wii owners have the money to buy other consoles? ALOT of people bought the Wii because of its price. Also some people want the games on Wii not other consoles, but I guess Nintendo should just give them a big "fuc you"?
But ask yourself, do we honestly want all 3 systems to be the same in the end? If that happens gaming will get so stale and stagnant that nothing about it will be fun, just the same old thing pushed out by everyone. I've seen you make the same argument when we see stupid post about mergers between the 3 major consoles.
When it comes to 3rd party games, I don't care if its on all consoles. The consoles will always be different. But this is about 3rd party games not the console as a whole
Conformity has no place in the gaming world! Complaints about the lack of conformity come from people who know little about how gaming as a market works, or know little about buisness strategy at all.
Nintendo doesn't need to conform, they just need better 3rd party games. It doesn't matter if YOU don't care about them but alot of people do.
source said:Unless these issues are addressed the Wii could very well be the most successful gaming fad in recent history.
T3kNi9e said:That quote isn't solid enough. Thats just speculation which is exactly what the article is. The Wii IS failing in the software department. Its got low software sales. The article does not say it IS a fad, it says it COULD be a fad which is the whole point of the article... Debating whether Wii will be a fad or if it will stay strong.
T3kNi9e said:Really? Wii has the best sold game? What game? Wii Play and Wii Sports... that bs is bundled... SMG is the highest sold Wii game, but again... the article does NOT deny that Wii sells well with 1st parties, AGAIN... stop restating the obvious. 3RD PARTY IS FAILING NOT 1ST PARTY, I DARE YOU TO DENY THAT, IF YOU DO YOU ARE BIASED... No one said it was a fad, the article is about the possibility that it COULD be a fad.
T3kNi9e said:You are blaming the downfall of Gamecube because they tried to get more 3rd party? No... it failed because gamecube ha inferior versions of the games. For example Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow was fine on the Gamecube, but unlike the Xbox and PS2 it lacked online. But guess what? This has nothing to do with the article.
T3kNi9e said:When it comes to Nintendo yes... They seem to always be behind and im not talking about graphics... Im talking games and console features. But do you think all Wii owners have the money to buy other consoles? ALOT of people bought the Wii because of its price. Also some people want the games on Wii not other consoles, but I guess Nintendo should just give them a big "fuc you"?
T3kNi9e said:Nintendo doesn't need to conform, they just need better 3rd party games. It doesn't matter if YOU don't care about them but alot of people do.