nic7
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pretty old, and really uninformative, but something you might have missed..
http://movies.ign.com/articles/757/757729p1.html
http://movies.ign.com/articles/757/757729p1.html
Spiderman 4 theories, rumors and expectations
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Jay61
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Um..I'm curious, all those who say they messed up because the comics storyline wasnt followed for the films...when did they say they were sticking to the storyline to the T?
Don't write stuff off yet as they obviously arent gonna stay completely true to the comics...hell they could make up a new bad guy as far as we know.
I still want the Lizard mind.
Don't write stuff off yet as they obviously arent gonna stay completely true to the comics...hell they could make up a new bad guy as far as we know.
I still want the Lizard mind.
zeon9881
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actully when spidy 1 was made they stated that its gonna be the storyline but not followed in order and also they said their using (only) the charecters from the comics
zeon9881
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actully harry isborune wasnt the new goblin. this was from a comic (way back) and bassicly harry turned to the goblin for abit and then well
u know u say the film
u know u say the film
retro_joe
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Jay61 said:
In the comic, Norman Osbourne wasn't killed that night on the bridge,(Gwen Stacy was supposed to be the chick,not Mary Jane, and she died in that comic) he was captured and later escaped and showed Harry Osbourne his "legacy" and told him of Peter Parker being Spiderman, later he died from another bout with Spidey from his flight pad. This is what turned Harry to hate Spiderman/Peter.
It also did this in the Animated Series back in 1994, however the lizard was involved between Green Goblin(Norman) and Green Goblin(Harry).
There is still 2 Goblins they heven't introduced; Hobgoblin and Demogoblin. Technically they cant introduce Hobgoblin, as that was supposed to be where Norman Osbourne got the Idea for his "Ultimate Soldier" - inevitably turning into the Green Goblin. And if they dont have a Hobgoblin, that means Demogoblin is out of the picture too, as Hobgoblin sells his soul to a demon to gain "More power", not happy with this demon placed inside him, he expels it and the demon formed is Demogoblin(who is eventually killed by Hobgoblin).
The Shocker was in the Spiderman2 Game i believe, as a startup villain robbing a bank(what else?). I would highly doubt he would appear as a villain in the next movies.
Scorpion certainly seems like a valid subject, hired by Jonah Jameson to find the link between Peter Parker and Spiderman, twisted by experiments done on him, Mac Gargan(Scorpion) ends up trying to kill Spiderman. Unsuccessful, he comes across the venom symbiote and becomes the new Venom.
Carnage, from the leftover symbiote in the lab of Curt Conners(Peter's Teacher), he experiments on it trying to find a regenerative product. He gets his hands on Spidermans Blood, and infuses the symbiote, Spidermans Blood, and his own blood causing the symbiote to become blood red. He stores it in his lab to keep an eye on its behaviour.
The Lizard, after losing his arm in vietnam, Curt Conners attempts to fuse a Skink's(a tiny lizard) regenerative DNA with a humans to see if its possible to regenerate his arm. Having no-one to test it on, he tests it on himself. Somewhat successful, his arm grows back, but the side affects begin to change him into a giant Lizard-like humanoid. The Lizard Destroys the lab in anger for the transformation that has become of him.(Thus, letting loose the Carnage Symbiote).(Unfortunatly, The Lizard has already been in a recent Video Game)
Rhino, certainly seems he could be in it, big, dumb, strong. no real storyline to him. he's just a crook that likes to headbutt stuff.(I think he also has been in a recent Video Game)
Kingpin, i'd highly doubt they'd have Kingpin, unless they had a superhero crossover where Daredevil was seen jumping around the city in the background. they wouldn't use a villain from another Marvel Movie.
Sinister Six, highly doubtful, Dr.Octopus is deceased(i dont believe it) and it appears Sandman has no blue with him. Elecktro would be cool, an electric based villain with todays graphics would kick ass. Mysterio could certainlt do a cameo in each movie, as Spiderman could never "finish off" Mysterio, always getting away etc, so he could be another possibility. Kraven the Hunter, big game hunter obsessed with taking down the biggest sport possible, defeating Spiderman would prove him to be "The Best Hunter in the World." The Vulture, millionaire engineer Adrian Toomes, creating a suit to let him fly and a harness that increases his strength tenfold, could be a neat addition. I doubt that all Sinister Six would be within the one film, but it could happen.
Cadbury said:
"It won't be Carnage because"...
1. Look at the story as is, its in tatters, they will do what they want with it.
2. Eddie Brock is dead, yes, but the Scorpion("Mac" Gargan) becomes the new host for the Venom Suit.
3. "Lack of Humanity" Yes. Carnage "Homicidal"? Yes. If the shoe fits?
"You're Opinions"...
1. Just because you're opinion sucks, doesn't mean i'll bag it. The Lizard would be a smart idea though, because it intertwines with the Symbiote Saga. Carnage wouldn't be let loose if he hadn't failed his experiment and transformed into the Lizard.
2. Carnage, Doppleganger, Shriek, Eleckro, Scorpion & Chameleon. All kickass enemies.
3. Yes, he is dead, but Jack O'Lantern is the next "Green Goblin" of sorts.
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Yeah, I'm not arsed about what anyones said about my opinions or whatever else. But really, Lizard is a **** enemy. Look at Goblin and Doc Ock and so on, they were all intelligent, they got at spiderman throguh MJ and Aunt May and stuff liek that. Lizard just goes on rampages and when in human form he doesn't think evil thoughts. He's just basic and to be honest really he would make a crap antagonist for such a huge film.
And as for all the other enemies listed, they may not be **** enemies, but look at the others, they've used the best ones, Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Venom. They are the biggest ones. So while the others may not be ****, they're just not as good as the others, and what's the point in making a film that's worse than the previous.
And retro_joe, don't quite know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, not that I care, but Carnage without Venom would be ****. Carnage is Venom's enemy. Venom and Carnage have a beef with each other. Venom hates himself for spawning Carnage and Carnage loves to kill. Carnage and spiderman don't have a beef. They have had numerous fights but Venom has always been there. Without Venom, there's no Carnage. And if there were a Carnage, it would probably be done very poorly because 1. There'd be no Venom and 2. He wouldn't be the same character because Carnage goes on killing sprees, he's a mass murderer, how the hell could they put that in a Spiderman film.
It's also highly unlikely he'll be in it because of Mr. Dick Head, otherwise known as Sam Raimi. He hates, sorry, HATES Venom. Reasons: Lack of humanity, doesn't like the idea of symbiotes (apparently), doesn't like Venom's character in general. So, if Raimi stays as director, I'd put every single penny I own on there being no Carnage what so ever. Ever. In a Spiderman film. a live action film for that matter. For Carnage to be in a Spiderman film, they'd have to change him SO much, and therefore wouldn't be Carnage.
And finally, question for retor_joe, where did you get this from?
"Carnage, from the leftover symbiote in the lab of Curt Conners(Peter's Teacher), he experiments on it trying to find a regenerative product. He gets his hands on Spidermans Blood, and infuses the symbiote, Spidermans Blood, and his own blood causing the symbiote to become blood red. He stores it in his lab to keep an eye on its behaviour."
And as for all the other enemies listed, they may not be **** enemies, but look at the others, they've used the best ones, Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, Venom. They are the biggest ones. So while the others may not be ****, they're just not as good as the others, and what's the point in making a film that's worse than the previous.
And retro_joe, don't quite know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, not that I care, but Carnage without Venom would be ****. Carnage is Venom's enemy. Venom and Carnage have a beef with each other. Venom hates himself for spawning Carnage and Carnage loves to kill. Carnage and spiderman don't have a beef. They have had numerous fights but Venom has always been there. Without Venom, there's no Carnage. And if there were a Carnage, it would probably be done very poorly because 1. There'd be no Venom and 2. He wouldn't be the same character because Carnage goes on killing sprees, he's a mass murderer, how the hell could they put that in a Spiderman film.
It's also highly unlikely he'll be in it because of Mr. Dick Head, otherwise known as Sam Raimi. He hates, sorry, HATES Venom. Reasons: Lack of humanity, doesn't like the idea of symbiotes (apparently), doesn't like Venom's character in general. So, if Raimi stays as director, I'd put every single penny I own on there being no Carnage what so ever. Ever. In a Spiderman film. a live action film for that matter. For Carnage to be in a Spiderman film, they'd have to change him SO much, and therefore wouldn't be Carnage.
And finally, question for retor_joe, where did you get this from?
"Carnage, from the leftover symbiote in the lab of Curt Conners(Peter's Teacher), he experiments on it trying to find a regenerative product. He gets his hands on Spidermans Blood, and infuses the symbiote, Spidermans Blood, and his own blood causing the symbiote to become blood red. He stores it in his lab to keep an eye on its behaviour."
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In the past i have memorys of the lizard slowly getting to be smart (like his human forms mind goes into lizards body) and its turns out the lizard helps spiderman, I remember that from somewhere, probably the old tv show. . .
Scorpian could be a enemie but most likely will be lizard and carnage. . .
I would like to see a film with a few super hero's, like spiderman needs help defeating someone who it just so happens is a x men enemie/fantastic 4/dare devil/iron etc etc.
We need info. . .
Scorpian could be a enemie but most likely will be lizard and carnage. . .
I would like to see a film with a few super hero's, like spiderman needs help defeating someone who it just so happens is a x men enemie/fantastic 4/dare devil/iron etc etc.
We need info. . .
retro_joe
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Cadbury said:
"But really, Lizard is a **** enemy."
If you ever read the comic book or saw the animated series, you'd have seen that he only went on rampage when he first transformed. He still has function of his brain(Duh?), seeing as his alter ego is a scientist, The Lizard had an underground haven with limited technology he had stolen to conduct new experiments. He's not too phased by spiderman, he has a different agenda(like Sandman).
"And retro_joe, don't quite know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, not that I care, but Carnage without Venom would be ****. Carnage is Venom's enemy."
*BARGH* Incorrect.
Carnage is the spawn of the original Symbiote, not Venom. Thus why Carnage doesn't feel such Malice for Parker(The Symbiote remebers the qualities of the preivous host, thus why Spidermans spider-sense doesn't work with Venom).
Venom doesn't feel "Responsible" for Carnage, as stated, he lacks humanity. The reason he hates Carnage is because he's an impure halfbreed. In the comic, he calls Carnage "halfbreed" to taunt him into a bout. (Halfbreed: Symbiote fused with Human/Spiderman DNA).
"Carnage and spiderman don't have a beef. They have had numerous fights but Venom has always been there."
"Whoever is an enemy of the city, is an enemy of mine."
~Spiderman
So technically, Carnage is an enemy of Spidermans. Regardless of what you think, he is still technically Spidermans enemy. Thus why Spiderman originally attempts to take down black cat, because she attempts to release her father from prison.(Enemy of the City)
Yes it's true, Venom and Spidey have worked together a couple times, most notably to take Carnage down. However, Sandman wasn't really an "Enemy of Spidermans", he only Robbed Banks(Enemy of the City), but Spiderman stopped him to keep the order. Only after his daughter dies Sandman becomes a true enemy of Spidermans, because he feels Spiderman interfering is what inevitably caused his daughter to die.
So, how is a raging killing machine(Carnage) not an enemy of Spidey's? "Hrm, he's not robbing a Bank.. I'll allow it." *Shoots webs off and swings around the city* (WTF?) NO.. plz get your facts straight. It's idiotic saying he's not an enemy of Spidermans.(Sorry, but its true)
"It's also highly unlikely he'll be in it because of Mr. Dick Head, otherwise known as Sam Raimi. He hates, sorry, HATES Venom."
Whether or not he "likes" Symbiotes shouldn't contribute, Venom & Carnage are the two biggest names in Spiderman series(IMHO), and the public is screaming for them. Carnage in a live action film would be PIMP.
"I'd put every single penny I own on there being no Carnage what so ever." You're going to be a very poor man...
"And finally, question for retor_joe, where did you get this from?"
Thats from the Storyline, fear it as its real information *Casts boogey powers*
It's true, storyline from comic. This is why it would be wise for The Lizard to be in the Carnage movie, as Curt Conners is the one that not only creates, but lets it loose.(When he transforms into the Lizard the first time, he destroys most of his lab)
Curtis Conners, Vietnam Veteran who had lost an arm fighting for his nation, became a scientist in hopes of helping not only his son but to regenerate his arm. Looking into various ways of being able to regenerate his arm, he first came across a Skink's regenerative capability of growing its tail back after losing it to escape an enemy. He put that research on hold when Peter First brought the Symbiote to his Lab, upon further inspection, he saw that it not only increased the feelings of the host, but also the physical capabilities.(Strength for example)
He experimented on the symbiote to see if it would increase the regenerative rate of a Skink. Conners managed to get his hands on Spidermans blood to increase the strength of the symbiote and to hopefully increase the possible regen rate. He added his own blood to it so he could hopefully put the suit on after he had tested the Lizard DNA upon himself. Once fused, he put the symbiote(now blood red) in protective casing so it wouldn't escape.
He then began further experimentation on the Lizard DNA project, after several days of research, he was sure it was ready for human testing, however(as usual) he didn't have a test subject, instead he injected himself with it. Seemingly successful, his arm grows back much to his delight, however the injection begins to transforms him into a giant humanoid Lizard, he then goes on rampage and destroys the lab. In his rage he destroys the casing the Red Symbiote was in, and the Lizard runs off before the symbiote could Bind with him. So it goes in search of a new host.
So even if The Lizard was a "**** enemy", they couldn't have Carnage without him.
The Lizard does remember his scientist work, and steals technology from around the city to make his new Haven a laboratory, where he plans on making a cure.Cpt.McCloud said:
If we want to see Venom again, they need the Scorpion to enter the picture as he becomes the new Venom in the comics. So i'd hope they have him in 4, so we can see Venom again in 5.
A Superhero Crossover movie would kick ass, personally i'd want to see X-Men & the Fantastic 4 take down Apocolypse or Galactus.
retro_joe
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Sadly, i know of the Fantastic 4 - Rise of the Silver Surfer, Silver Surfer is the usher to Galactus.Hybrid said:
I said moreso Galactus/Apocolype because they are the strongest of the villains in both series.
Ok, retro_joe, this is from wikipedia:
"When the symbiote returned and bonded with Eddie to form the entity known as Venom, the supervillain unwittingly left behind a spawn which merged itself into Kasady's bloodstream. One night, Kasady murdered a guard and escaped prison, beginning a series of gruesome and seemingly random murders. At the scene of each crime, he'd write "Carnage Rules" on the walls with his own blood. He was found by Spider-Man, though the hero proved to be no match for the Venom spawn. In desperation, Spider-Man made what would be the first of many truces with Venom to fight Carnage."
You've got that story-line from the Ultimate Spider-man series, which the film s DON'T follow. So YOU get YOUR facts right, Mr. Great Debater.
Firstly, the Lizard being a **** enemy, ok that's just a clash of opinions, so there isn't a right answer but if they brought out Spider-man 4 with the enemy as the Lizard I'd be very disappointed.
"And retro_joe, don't quite know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, not that I care, but Carnage without Venom would be ****. Carnage is Venom's enemy."
*BARGH* Incorrect.
Carnage is the spawn of the original Symbiote, not Venom. Thus why Carnage doesn't feel such Malice for Parker(The Symbiote remebers the qualities of the preivous host, thus why Spidermans spider-sense doesn't work with Venom).
Venom doesn't feel "Responsible" for Carnage, as stated, he lacks humanity. The reason he hates Carnage is because he's an impure halfbreed. In the comic, he calls Carnage "halfbreed" to taunt him into a bout. (Halfbreed: Symbiote fused with Human/Spiderman DNA).
You're wrong, read "Venom vs Carnage" and then we'll talk. Although there probably won't be a need to as you would have realised that you're wrong and look stupid. Actually I'll spare you the time of reading it, here's a few quotes from Venom in "Venom vs Carnage":
Oh, here's a good one - "I'm your father..."
This one is also good - "Carnage, I've loathed you like a son"
This is a VERY good one - "Carnage, my son..."
That enough evdince for you?
However, Sandman wasn't really an "Enemy of Spidermans", he only Robbed Banks(Enemy of the City), but Spiderman stopped him to keep the order.
Wrong. He went after him because he killed Uncle Ben.
As far as the rest of what you said goes, as I said earlier, that's the Ultimate series not the proper one. And don't try and say the films do follow the Ultimate series because they don't. Spider-man is a teenager in the Ultimate series, that proves it right there, doesn't it?
And regarding the Sam Raimi and the film things, it should contribute, do you know why? BECAUSE HE'S THE ****ING DIRECTOR YOU BELL END! Do you not understand? What Raimi says, goes. It took Avi Arad and the Topher Grace's performance to win him over. Raimi does have a say, a HUGE say in fact and if he says Carnage is not going to be in his film, it's not going to happen. HE said this with Venom, but was won over. And it's going to take a lot more than Avi's word and good actor to get Raimi to put Carnage in his film. And what you said about Venom and Carnage being the best in the Spider-man world, I agree 100% there are by far the best two characters, in my opinion. We seem to agree there. But don't you see what he did with Venom in Spider-man 3? They completely butchered him. Venom in the film was ****. I looked forward to seeing Venom just as much as anyone else did, but I was disappointed by his appearance. And you say Carnage would "PIMP", but going on what Carnage is, everything he represents, what they did with Venom and Sam Raimi's attitude towards Venom and symbiotes... do you REALLY think that a Carnage appearance would be "PIMP"? Think about it.
I look forward to your response.
"When the symbiote returned and bonded with Eddie to form the entity known as Venom, the supervillain unwittingly left behind a spawn which merged itself into Kasady's bloodstream. One night, Kasady murdered a guard and escaped prison, beginning a series of gruesome and seemingly random murders. At the scene of each crime, he'd write "Carnage Rules" on the walls with his own blood. He was found by Spider-Man, though the hero proved to be no match for the Venom spawn. In desperation, Spider-Man made what would be the first of many truces with Venom to fight Carnage."
You've got that story-line from the Ultimate Spider-man series, which the film s DON'T follow. So YOU get YOUR facts right, Mr. Great Debater.
Firstly, the Lizard being a **** enemy, ok that's just a clash of opinions, so there isn't a right answer but if they brought out Spider-man 4 with the enemy as the Lizard I'd be very disappointed.
"And retro_joe, don't quite know whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me, not that I care, but Carnage without Venom would be ****. Carnage is Venom's enemy."
*BARGH* Incorrect.
Carnage is the spawn of the original Symbiote, not Venom. Thus why Carnage doesn't feel such Malice for Parker(The Symbiote remebers the qualities of the preivous host, thus why Spidermans spider-sense doesn't work with Venom).
Venom doesn't feel "Responsible" for Carnage, as stated, he lacks humanity. The reason he hates Carnage is because he's an impure halfbreed. In the comic, he calls Carnage "halfbreed" to taunt him into a bout. (Halfbreed: Symbiote fused with Human/Spiderman DNA).
You're wrong, read "Venom vs Carnage" and then we'll talk. Although there probably won't be a need to as you would have realised that you're wrong and look stupid. Actually I'll spare you the time of reading it, here's a few quotes from Venom in "Venom vs Carnage":
Oh, here's a good one - "I'm your father..."
This one is also good - "Carnage, I've loathed you like a son"
This is a VERY good one - "Carnage, my son..."
That enough evdince for you?
However, Sandman wasn't really an "Enemy of Spidermans", he only Robbed Banks(Enemy of the City), but Spiderman stopped him to keep the order.
Wrong. He went after him because he killed Uncle Ben.
As far as the rest of what you said goes, as I said earlier, that's the Ultimate series not the proper one. And don't try and say the films do follow the Ultimate series because they don't. Spider-man is a teenager in the Ultimate series, that proves it right there, doesn't it?
And regarding the Sam Raimi and the film things, it should contribute, do you know why? BECAUSE HE'S THE ****ING DIRECTOR YOU BELL END! Do you not understand? What Raimi says, goes. It took Avi Arad and the Topher Grace's performance to win him over. Raimi does have a say, a HUGE say in fact and if he says Carnage is not going to be in his film, it's not going to happen. HE said this with Venom, but was won over. And it's going to take a lot more than Avi's word and good actor to get Raimi to put Carnage in his film. And what you said about Venom and Carnage being the best in the Spider-man world, I agree 100% there are by far the best two characters, in my opinion. We seem to agree there. But don't you see what he did with Venom in Spider-man 3? They completely butchered him. Venom in the film was ****. I looked forward to seeing Venom just as much as anyone else did, but I was disappointed by his appearance. And you say Carnage would "PIMP", but going on what Carnage is, everything he represents, what they did with Venom and Sam Raimi's attitude towards Venom and symbiotes... do you REALLY think that a Carnage appearance would be "PIMP"? Think about it.
I look forward to your response.
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^ wikipedia is not a valid source of information. Its user generated and often found to be wrong. Just a heads up.
