9/11

[~Marisa~]

Whatever you say, twists. Here maybe this will make you happy, you've converted me into a conspiracy mongering, psychopathic, cynicism whore. Now let's all live together in misery.

I don't live in misery, I'm a very happy person. Wow, could you get anymore steriotypical? Tell me, if your family is so "successful" what do they do to help others. What do you do to help the less fortunate?

 

[ABC]

Well one thing, my father put his life on the line to fight for this country that he wasn't even born in.... and life is the ultimate sacrifice... but I guess giving money to a corrupt charity may be a better thing, right?

 

[~Marisa~]

Well one thing, my father put his life on the line to fight for this country that he wasn't even born in.... and life is the ultimate sacrifice... but I guess giving money to a corrupt charity may be a better thing, right?

Wow, you truly are a close-minded individual. You like to shout your mouth off about stuff you know nothing about. Sad. But, I guess it makes you sleep better at night...

 

[Ezekiel86]

Wow, so basically your familie's career is made of war(Father), money(Mother) and crap media(You) No wonder you're a typical American.....

Absolutely slammed

 

[BlightedArt]

I looked at this thread, and knew that petty squabble would break out before the last page. <_<

 

[Ezekiel86]

First off, that was the dumbest analogy of America I think I have ever heard. I know one thing is for sure, my parents came here from Italy in the 60s, my father is an X-Marine, my Mother is a Branch manager at a bank, my uncles all own construction companies, and I work in Market 1 radio for two of the biggest companies... now you tell me what country this is possible? Don't give me the cynical bullshit, if you work hard, and have half a brain, you can make it somewhere here... if your a lazy bastard and try to depend on someone else, you fall to the bottom with the rest of the crap. Now take off that tin hat, because not everyone is out to get you there, babe. Next your going to talk about UFOs and how you were visited by Aliens. Friggen freak.

Don't even think about spewing that self-righteous bullsh*t man. That can be achieved in any country, and god forbid even Australia. Infact about a year ago was an article about the CEO of a mobile phone company, his parents were Turkish immigrants, and during his teenage years he was a delinquent street kid, but he straightened out, went to University and voila! Look where he is now.

My point is those achievements can be achieved anywhere as long as you hang in there.

Besides, would you stop with the whole tin hat thing? Its really pissing me off

 

[Ezekiel86]

Oh please, your country (our country) doesn't give a **** about us. You're the one, my friend, brain-washed by the media. A wonderful country? A country of freedom? If your "wonderful" country is a country filled with cheating presidents, cell-phone, fake people, porn, guns, violence, ass-holes, rude people, trendy disobediant children, over-stressed people, and ignorance then you can just have it. That's not the kind of freedom I want. You speak for "freedom", yet you say you hate our "type" and wish we would shut up? Wow, that's some freedom you want.

Freedom is not what you want, you want YOUR freedom. You want everyone to believe what you believe and if they don't they need to be exterminated. I'm sorry, babe, but that is NOT freedom.


Let me explain something to you; America is like the new hip teenager on the block. There are tons of older wise men who live on this block and the teenager comes in with it's young strong body beating the crap out of all the older men (Older countries) just because they don't agree with all their trendy crap. America thinks it's invinsible. It is not. It sickens me how many people around the world die from hate and violence and then 9/11 happens (which was caused by it's own country) and America cries endlessly. I agree, 9/11 was absolutely horrible, but, please, wake up and smell the coffee. Your country is killing it's own people in order to gain power over them. Hitting it's people just hard enough to get control.

Giving up your liberty does not give you freedom! No country should try to win a war that's older then them. America is not the ruler of the world. (Even though it's their goal). You do not have say over ANYBODY! Get over it. If you want freedom, then WE are something you have to deal with.


First Amendment, kiddo. (By which the way, your "beloved" Bush is trashing)

here here! very nicely said
It's a sad fact that America has gone so far downhill from the once Utopian society it appeared to be...

If America is the new hip teenager on the block who goes around thrashing all the old dudes, would that mean 9/11 was one of the old dudes smacking the teenager in the face with his walking stick?

 

[BlightedArt]

Completely off topic. No offense...

 

[Ezekiel86]

So when you beloved Mr. Clinton "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in 1999, that was OK? Are you out of your mind? And quite frankly, YOU DON'T LIVE HERE. America to you is what you see on your media outlets and dodgy movies on youtube. Come live here, experience what this great country offers, then speak all you want. It's funny how people throw numbers around. Sadam was killing thousands of his own people in that country and you are telling e because of our liberation, which helped better protect this country, we did more harm. Keep watching CNN and get back to me when you pull your head out of your ass. This threat is real. If we stop fighting, do you think that everything will disappear and be all joyful? If only the world didn't have hate filled people that would like to see us destroyed. How do you think Mr. Clinton kept these devils at bay for just a bit longer? By negotiating with and supplying them... and what the hell did that do to us in the long run. This argument has been been worn thin and quite frankly I am sick of your kind. I live in one of the greatest countries in the world... enjoy your socialism in Australia... they are honest and all for the people. :lol:

Firstly, it was NOT Clinton, it was the CIA (or Central Lack-of-Intelligence Agency) because their lousy intelligence left them 300 metres off their target, which was the Headquarters of Federal Directionate for Supply and Procurement (FDSP). But knowing the CIA they didn't get it right, and innocent deaths followed. (Information sourced from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Bombing_of_the_Chinese_embassy_in_Belgrade)

Since when did I refer to Mr. Clinton as "My Beloved"? I don't recall ever writing it in my posts, and a preliminary scan still doesn't support your statements.

"Our Liberation"? How can you call what America and it's "Coalition of the willing" is doing in Iraq liberation? I can feel my pulse pounding in my temples from the sheer audacity you just displayed in believing that America is completely justified in its invasion and consequent murder and mutilation of the population.

Do you remember the Fallujah campaign? It was a small rural town inhabited mostly by tribes and farmers, yet Bush proclaims it was a terrorist hotspot, so he sends in troops and aircraft and bombs the absolute hell out of the place, only then do the locals take up arms in futile attempt to repel the invasion.

The sad truth of that failed campaign was that the population of Fallujah would have been the easiest to turn in favour of the coalition, as they were mostly uneducated rural farmers and tribesmen.

You know what man, there's only one group of people in the world that is hate-filled and its you and others like you. If the occupation of Iraq was not taking place there probably would not have been any London or Madrid bombings.

Don't call them fanatical terrorists, although the media loves pimping that phrase. If my homeland was being invaded by a draconian, inhumane armed force who dont give a sh*t about me, my family, and everything I love and cherish (not to mention indiscriminately killing my friends and blowing up my place of employment) I would probably fly over to their homeland and seek some retribution.

And before you call me a terrorist I'm NOT a Jihadist or anything of the like. I am talking from a generalised perspective. I am sure you'd probably do the same if say... Russia decided to invade and occupy America for a while. Think about it before you write something half-assed.

 

[Ezekiel86]

Completely off topic. No offense...

Lol yeah I know, but I think secretly when we all saw this thread, we knew it was going to end up like this :lol:

 

[Ezekiel86]

I don't live in misery, I'm a very happy person. Wow, could you get anymore steriotypical? Tell me, if your family is so "successful" what do they do to help others. What do you do to help the less fortunate?

I'm doing my bit, I don't have alot of money but I donate every month to the wilderness society, and I donate blood

 

[Napalmbrain]

I know liberals like me are supposed to be against the Iraq War, but I'll be honest- I think it is justified, if only because they deposed Saddam Hussein. Would you rather he were still in power, murdering and torturing his own people? Oh sure, I think the way the war is being conducted is a complete disaster, and there's no way I could condone some things that have been done (bombing hospitals, Abu Ghraib,etc.) but I think it's a lot better than leaving that monster Saddam Hussein in charge (as tyranical as you think Bush is, at least he never launched a campaign of genocide against an ethnic minority in America).

And as for the soldiers who are over there- if they don't like it, then they shouldn't have joined the army. They knew what they were getting into- or rather, they should have- and they weren't forced into it (I detest the idea of conscription by the way, as it goes against the idea of freedom). You want them to pull out now, but what do you suggest we do about the terrorists who're still in the country? You think they'll just happily get up and leave? If the coalition forces pull out now, we'd be leaving innocent Iraqis at their mercy, and they could quite possibly take over, leaving us with a country that could actually be a threat to the West.

 

[Ezekiel86]

I know liberals like me are supposed to be against the Iraq War, but I'll be honest- I think it is justified, if only because they deposed Saddam Hussein. Would you rather he were still in power, murdering and torturing his own people? Oh sure, I think the way the war is being conducted is a complete disaster, and there's no way I could condone some things that have been done (bombing hospitals, Abu Ghraib,etc.) but I think it's a lot better than leaving that monster Saddam Hussein in charge (as tyranical as you think Bush is, at least he never launched a campaign of genocide against an ethnic minority in America).

And as for the soldiers who are over there- if they don't like it, then they shouldn't have joined the army. They knew what they were getting into- or rather, they should have- and they weren't forced into it (I detest the idea of conscription by the way, as it goes against the idea of freedom). You want them to pull out now, but what do you suggest we do about the terrorists who're still in the country? You think they'll just happily get up and leave? If the coalition forces pull out now, we'd be leaving innocent Iraqis at their mercy, and they could quite possibly take over, leaving us with a country that could actually be a threat to the West.

The grounds upon which the desicion to invade Iraq on were shaky to say the least. I do partially agree that getting rid of Saddam might have been good, he might have been a harsh ruler but at least he knew what he was doing, and the Iraqi economy was doing well under his rule (so he did some things right). I know there's no excuse for killing his own people, but you cannot blame him entirely- afterall, who gave him the weapons to do so in the first place? All his chemical weapons were provided to him by the USA.

Had America not given him such dangerous weapons in the first place the damage he would have done would be greatly minimised.

Basically, I am saying it is unfair to blame Saddam for everything, even though certain minority groups were unfairly targeted by him the general population lived in relative harmony and all was well. Alot of Iraqis believe that they were better off under Saddam than under American occupation.

The problem with the disgruntled soldiers in Iraq is that they take out all their anger and frustrations with being somewhere they don't want to be on the innocent population, it's not hard to see with how they react anytime something a tad out of the ordinary happens or their "code of ethical practices" (one video shown on the news filmed from the aircrafts perspective showed it bombing a large group of civillians, you could even hear the pilot laughing in the background over the radio.. made me feel nausious). Abu Graib is another good example.

 

[ABC]

The grounds upon which the desicion to invade Iraq on were shaky to say the least. I do partially agree that getting rid of Saddam might have been good, he might have been a harsh ruler but at least he knew what he was doing, and the Iraqi economy was doing well under his rule (so he did some things right). I know there's no excuse for killing his own people, but you cannot blame him entirely- afterall, who gave him the weapons to do so in the first place? All his chemical weapons were provided to him by the USA.

Had America not given him such dangerous weapons in the first place the damage he would have done would be greatly minimised.

Basically, I am saying it is unfair to blame Saddam for everything, even though certain minority groups were unfairly targeted by him the general population lived in relative harmony and all was well. Alot of Iraqis believe that they were better off under Saddam than under American occupation.

The problem with the disgruntled soldiers in Iraq is that they take out all their anger and frustrations with being somewhere they don't want to be on the innocent population, it's not hard to see with how they react anytime something a tad out of the ordinary happens or their "code of ethical practices" (one video shown on the news filmed from the aircrafts perspective showed it bombing a large group of civillians, you could even hear the pilot laughing in the background over the radio.. made me feel nausious). Abu Graib is another good example.

That is the dumbest friggen thing I have ever heard!!! Don't blame Saddam for kiulling his own people because he got the weapons from somewhere else?! Are you sick in the head?!?!? That post above just made you lose all credibility AT ALL with me. Who do you think negotiated with Sadam? Yes, yes, Sadam and the other tirants kept nice and quiet durring Mr BJ Clinton's rule because he was keeping them nice and content. But you snakes, known as left wing radicals, can't come to grips with that.

 

[Ezekiel86]

Umn dude.. I never said DONT blame Saddam If you can't comprehend that what I said implied there are more people to blame than just Saddam and that America is just as guilty as he is, or that you thought I was letting Saddam off the hook. I presume you assumed I meant the latter since you are, after all an idiot.

Who exactly are these other "tirants" you refer to? And in what way are they "tirants"? are they anything like tyrants? Moron.

Besides, since when have there been American demonstrations against Saddam's crimes aside from using it as a justification to invade the country? When did you give a **** about the people getting killed by him?